Robbie To Headline "Help for Heroes" Concert - 12th Sep 2010 in Twickenham

[Lullepups]

Now there have been some comments on the pill in papers and a select few mentioning some words but thats all and most of the press has been very positive. Vocals on lmey werent great but its a great song and he was energetic like before and i never remember him being a nifty dancer. But for that it was pretty standard and similair to knebworth maybe not quite as tight but hes not been practising for a tour. So overall he was better than anyone else cos he had emotion and robbie does not need to be tight just himself and people love that.
Now the whole time i have looked at this site ive not seen a positive comment from u. I feel this website is quite critical of robbie when he deserves it like x factor and probably to much but this concert is a step up from the brits and from any other performance. If u want a dull nice vocal performance go and watch george michael. So i here u say u like robbie from a while back if this is the case i think u dont like him now although hes not much different just slightly worse voice which comes with age and smoking. Or u have moved into a period were u r quite unhappy and feel like putting this negative energy onto someone. I donot think its right to be a blind fan but to be negative constantly and more negative on here than anywhere else including youtube, tabloids and tt website is strange. So if u cant say anything nice dont post

i thought this could be a great comment, it surely is
...until i read the last sentence
why do you expect people just writing all positive?
why don`t you just allow them to have their own opinion?
it takes a lot of courage to have a dissenting opinion to the majority,
and i`m holding balmullo in high esteem though, i mentioned it already, i don`t
agree with most parts of what he/she said, but you can`t reproach him/her being authentic

[thallia]

Gone too far? He is an addict who cold not control his use of them. Being an addict is being an addict.. Prescription drugs are not any easier to control then any other form of addiction. One hopes he has been treated and is fighting it but it is not less serious, or dangerous than any other form of drug.

When i say "easier" it's in a medical way.
Prescription's pills are in medical control: you need a prescription to have them.
And if you go too far, it's easier to realize.

But you're right: an addicitve person is and stay an addicitve person, and it's a fight all over his life.

So, nobody want to answer my question?

[Lullepups]

So, nobody want to answer my question?

no :p

[lamponefran]

no :p

lol Lulle :p

[Laura130262]

If someone can get up a Youtube clip of Peter Kay who introduced Robbie up on here and you hear the crowds reactions knowing that Rob was about to come on I think you would get an idea of the atmosphere there on Sunday. :) I had a look but couldn't find one. :confused:

I think Robbie has come such a long way in the last twelve months. I can't imagine this time last year he would have been able to envisage doing such a big gig and to know that it was going out live on BBC TV. It was a pretty brave thing to do. All of the other acts on there had the cushion of knowing that their set was recorded. Rob's was the only one being shown in real time. Given his admission of stage fright it can't have been easy.

It wasn't perfect by any means and some of what Balmullo has said I did think myself on Sunday but he tries so hard to give people what they want and if someone had suggested in 2007/8 that he would perform live in front of 60,000 fans again, I would never have believed them.

[lamponefran]

If someone can get up a Youtube clip of Peter Kay who introduced Robbie up on here and you hear the crowds reactions knowing that Rob was about to come on I think you would get an idea of the atmosphere there on Sunday. :) I had a look but couldn't find one. :confused:

I think Robbie has come such a long way in the last twelve months. I can't imagine this time last year he would have been able to envisage doing such a big gig and to know that it was going out live on BBC TV. It was a pretty brave thing to do. All of the other acts on there had the cushion of knowing that their set was recorded. Rob's was the only one being shown in real time. Given his admission of stage fright it can't have been easy.

It wasn't perfect by any means and some of what Balmullo has said I did think myself on Sunday but he tries so hard to give people what they want and if someone had suggested in 2007/8 that he would perform live in front of 60,000 fans again, I would never have believed them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLXNFA968Lg

[tammyinlalaland]

When i say "easier" it's in a medical way.
Prescription's pills are in medical control: you need a prescription to have them.
And if you go too far, it's easier to realize.

But you're right: an addicitve person is and stay an addicitve person, and it's a fight all over his life.

So, nobody want to answer my question?


you are supposed to need a prescription but you don't need one most of the time. You can get them from the same dealers as other drugs or you can get them from multiple doctors unaware that they are treating someone already being treated by another doctor, it is called doctor shopping.

If you are in a position like Robbie's you can also get close personal staff to get prescriptions for you too (I am not saying or implying in any way he/they did but it is not uncommon like Anna Nicole Smith, Michael Jackson or Heath Ledger)

As for the question: I did not go because I live in Los Angeles, most did not go because either they could not afford it or they lived out of reasonable traveling distance

[Laura130262]

http://bit.ly/b4bBaN

This is it :)

[tinab]

Wow ... the crowd singing Angels is just amazing! It must be an incredible feeling to have 60,000 people sing a song that is basically your hallmark.

[Laura130262]

Wow ... the crowd singing Angels is just amazing! It must be an incredible feeling to have 60,000 people sing a song that is basically your hallmark.

I thought it nice that Robbie would have heard that backstage before he came on. :)

[Robstoke]

Now there have been some comments on the pill in papers and a select few mentioning some words but thats all and most of the press has been very positive. Vocals on lmey werent great but its a great song and he was energetic like before and i never remember him being a nifty dancer. But for that it was pretty standard and similair to knebworth maybe not quite as tight but hes not been practising for a tour. So overall he was better than anyone else cos he had emotion and robbie does not need to be tight just himself and people love that.
Now the whole time i have looked at this site ive not seen a positive comment from u. I feel this website is quite critical of robbie when he deserves it like x factor and probably to much but this concert is a step up from the brits and from any other performance. If u want a dull nice vocal performance go and watch george michael. So i here u say u like robbie from a while back if this is the case i think u dont like him now although hes not much different just slightly worse voice which comes with age and smoking. Or u have moved into a period were u r quite unhappy and feel like putting this negative energy onto someone. I donot think its right to be a blind fan but to be negative constantly and more negative on here than anywhere else including youtube, tabloids and tt website is strange. So if u cant say anything nice dont post

Although I dont agree with absolutely everything you have said, thank you for posting this. I have yet to see one positive comment from the poster in question, and it is good to see that despite their efforts to poo poo every single thing Rob does or doesnt do, they have continued to fail in their efforts to alter fans attitudes towards a great star.

Rob is in a great place at the moment - recently married, back with his bandmates, enjoying huge record sales, if people cant find one single positive thing to say about all of that, then it suggests to me they have issues which need addressing outside of this forum.

[Sly]

....it's very important that everyone has different opinions.....
The show on Sunday was far of perfection – so what? He is one human.....
I am asking myself why some ‘fans' have criticized the gig on Sunday so intensely and why they feed the tabloids or other media with them negative ideas?
That he has forgot the text of feel can be one joke… If not…. This can happen to anyone… as well if you have sang a song thousands of times….
Sorry, but to write that he could have drop one pill on stage is nonsense… Why should he do that? If he wants to take pills he would do that before or after the gig…… :D I didn't know that's illegal to eat mints, chewinggums etc. on stage....
Fans should be friends…. :rolleyes: And if they want to admit positive and negative arguments regarding a show, song etc. etc. they should do that – in a suitable manner…..

P.S. Knebworth was 2003. Today is 2010. I want to see some of you guys here seven years after.... :cool:

[Dee99]

I was just reading Sly's response, and I think it's pretty spot on. I'm not the same person I was 10 years ago, even 5 years ago. Over the years we all change, some thing we get better at, and some things we were good at, we become not as good.
We all have our of days, and some days we are on top form.
No matter what, Robbie is, and always will be the best entertainer to me in my eyes. Yes he might have a moment were he might slip up, but don't we all! And as for forgetting the lyrics, I'm sure it's one of those thing that can happen to any one, you get caught up in the moment and then forget and think, were was I. I do this, and I'm sure it does happen to everyone, but poor Robbie it just has to happen in front of many thousand's of people.
I loved Robbie performance on Sunday, and I had to watch it through you tube, as I live way to far from UK. So I wonder what the atmosphere would of been like there at Twikenham, but I would say amazing, and electrifying, and Robbie would of pulled off another fantastic appereance.
Love you Robbie!:D

[Dee99]

I was just reading Sly's response, and I think it's pretty spot on. I'm not the same person I was 10 years ago, even 5 years ago. Over the years we all change, some thing we get better at, and some things we were good at, we become not as good.
We all have our of days, and some days we are on top form.
No matter what, Robbie is, and always will be the best entertainer to me in my eyes. Yes he might have a moment were he might slip up, but don't we all! And as for forgetting the lyrics, I'm sure it's one of those thing that can happen to any one, you get caught up in the moment and then forget and think, were was I. I do this, and I'm sure it does happen to everyone, but poor Robbie it just has to happen in front of many thousand's of people.
I loved Robbie performance on Sunday, and I had to watch it through you tube, as I live way to far from UK. So I wonder what the atmosphere would of been like there at Twikenham, but I would say amazing, and electrifying, and Robbie would of pulled off another fantastic appereance.
Love you Robbie!:D

Also Robbie wasn't pill popping as some of you my think, he was taking a thing called vocalzone, a thing used to clear your voice, and it's something he's used quite a bit. So to all those people who doubted him and thought he was popping or abusing any substance they are wrong, and shouldn't always just presume the worst. Love you Robbie.xxx:D

[Jazz 67]

My thoughts as a hardcore (since the beginning) RW fan on the performance:

Why are people bringing up the minor blip on feel when the rest of the concert was top notch and quite clearly had the crowd more excited than at any point during the night?

Why are people criticising his singing? He has never been a top singer, he is an entertainer first and foremost.

Why is the english press so negative about everything in the world and determined to ruin good honest peoples careers? yet they are prepared to big up pre rehearsed drivel, by people who have no songwriting ability, dont even attempt to sing and rely on backing tracks - whilst they perform some over elaborate, unnecessary dance routine, providing no emotional connection to the crowd WHATSOEVER.

Why cant people see that the Robbie factor is what brought most of the crowd to that gig in the first place and therefore had a significent impact upon raising money for the charity?

Infuriating.

*claps* Excellent post. :D:D:D

[Jazz 67]

I thought it nice that Robbie would have heard that backstage before he came on. :)

watching that on tv was amazing, bought a lump to my throat hearing the crowd sing Angels. Must have been even more amazing being there and being part of it.

[Geraldine]

Well I thought that he was brilliant at Twickenham. Loved every second of it, and I don't care whether he forgot the words of Feel or got the verses of LMEY the wrong way around, who cares? That was entertainment right there, and I cannot wait to see what he brings to the Take That dynamic now. Very bad trousers though :)

[miss understood]

if thats the style of trousers thats fashion now , i dont like them much, baggy bum jeans are ok but not trousers. :eek:
still, maybe they gave him room to bounce his bum right off :D

[Jackie]

Also Robbie wasn't pill popping as some of you my think, he was taking a thing called vocalzone, a thing used to clear your voice, and it's something he's used quite a bit.


here you are Dee, and from my memory of concerts in 2001, 2003 and 2006, he has always put gum, a mint, or if the Sun is true, a lozenge in his mouth. It's nothing new, and so what if he did it in front of the audience, he has been doing that for years, it also showed he had nothing to hide.

Do the Rudebox, save the voicebox
The Sun
15th September

I HAVE got to the bottom of ROBBIE WILLIAMS' pill-popping antics on stage at the Heroes Concert.

The Sun reported yesterday that Rudebox singer Robbie was just sucking on a throat lozenge during Sunday's Twickenham performance.

Now I can reveal it was a Vocalzone pastille, which have been used by singers for 100 years.

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The tablets were created in Carmarthen, South Wales, in the early 20th Century and their first famous user was Italian tenor ENRICO CARUSO.

They have been a staple of the music and acting world ever since.

TOM JONES, KELLY JONES, JARVIS COCKER, the lads from SUPERGRASS and KATHERINE JENKINS all swear by Vocalzone.

Tom said: "They are the best throat pastilles in the world."

Supergrass's GAZ COOMBES added: "Those little black nuggets of joy have got us through many a high note."

Robbie caused raised eyebrows when he cracked a pill out of a foil strip before GARY BARLOW joined him on stage.

source: The Sun (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/3138603/Pill-popping-Robbie-was-taking-throat-pastilles.html)

[Jackie]

Robbie was brilliant on Sunday, he was electrifying, and it was great to have Robbie Williams back, he put on a performance the crowd were waiting for.

well done to Robbie, he got back on a stadium stage, I think the first time since 2006. It must have been daunting for him, but when I saw him clench his fist and say 'yes' to himself, I knew he knew he pulled it off. bless him :)

well done Robbie and to everyone else who took part and went along to support this wonderful charity.

[Chrissie]

if people cant find one single positive thing to say about all of that, then it suggests to me they have issues which need addressing outside of this forum.

RS, it's really not worth getting so wound up about. ..whilst there is absolutely nothing wrong with exploring the negative aspects of his life and performances, some peoples' reasons for being here might not be entirely objective in terms of expressing opinions for the sake of constructive discussion about Robbie...

Nah - the whole thing does not matter a jot. He was indeed crap on Sunday....and I like winding all those Robbie obsessives up....




The ignore button is your friend :)

[balmullo]

Well there's three versions of this story, mine, and yours and then the truth..

I am a Robbie Williams fan. I think he has released some of the best pop music and live performances this country has ever produced over the past 20 years. Songs such as Come Undone, Feel, Angels, Bodies, Rock DJ, No Regrets, Shame, Tripping and Let Me Entertain You will stand the test of time in the patheon of great pop songs. He is also a refreshing difference to the majority of over produced, so called 'stars' currently masquarading as pop stars.

But - we have to take stock occassionally when he simply does not live up to the billing. His performance on Sunday was erratic to the point of shocking, as is his recent decline as a live performing artist. As pointed out in earlier threads - there were too many fault lines running through this particular performance to be able to gloss over. That is a real shame.

There also seems to be a number of people posting comments within this website forum who are taking negative postings/comments about Robbie really personally. Being objective, pragmatic, and also being able to see both sides of the argument is surely the key to decent debate - rather than the shrill of crying foul play when anyone points out his bad performances or music.

To those idiots who think everything is wonderful about Robbie, and therefore become all personal and furious when people state otherwise - then yes, they deserve to be wound up.

The whole point of this forum is to highlight the good, bad and ugly about Mr Williams (Twickenham admittedly, was a combination of all three!) and therefore have an open, non-personal debate about this.

I have also posted many threads and links to the great performances and music of Robbie Williams. But I will continue to also offer insight into the less compelling aspects to Robbie Williams.

His performance on Sunday was very poor and if he continues to offer up such dire performances in the future, then I suggest that he will tarnish the good work built up earlier in his career. He is now in danger of being remembered as an erratic performer rather than a great entertainer. Oh what a shame...

[marw]

Well there's three versions of this story, mine, and yours and then the truth..

I am a Robbie Williams fan. I think he has released some of the best pop music and live performances this country has ever produced over the past 20 years. Songs such as Come Undone, Feel, Angels, Bodies, Rock DJ, No Regrets, Shame, Tripping and Let Me Entertain You will stand the test of time in the patheon of great pop songs. He is also a refreshing difference to the majority of over produced, so called 'stars' currently masquarading as pop stars.

But - we have to take stock occassionally when he simply does not live up to the billing. His performance on Sunday was erratic to the point of shocking, as is his recent decline as a live performing artist. As pointed out in earlier threads - there were too many fault lines running through this particular performance to be able to gloss over. That is a real shame.

There also seems to be a number of people posting comments within this website forum who are taking negative postings/comments about Robbie really personally. Being objective, pragmatic, and also being able to see both sides of the argument is surely the key to decent debate - rather than the shrill of crying foul play when anyone points out his bad performances or music.

To those idiots who think everything is wonderful about Robbie, and therefore become all personal and furious when people state otherwise - then yes, they deserve to be wound up.

The whole point of this forum is to highlight the good, bad and ugly about Mr Williams (Twickenham admittedly, was a combination of all three!) and therefore have an open, non-personal debate about this.

I have also posted many threads and links to the great performances and music of Robbie Williams. But I will continue to also offer insight into the less compelling aspects to Robbie Williams.

His performance on Sunday was very poor and if he continues to offer up such dire performances in the future, then I suggest that he will tarnish the good work built up earlier in his career. He is now in danger of being remembered as an erratic performer rather than a great entertainer. Oh what a shame...

Thank you for the compliment!!! You say that there has to be a polite discussion where people should be able to express their point of view and it doesn't matter positive it or negative and I agree with you on that. But look at yourself you make it quite opposite: you insist that his perfomance was bad, poor etc. etc. etc. and when people say that they like it (and they really do, personally I do) and try to express their point of view you call them idiots!!!:mad: How do you think is it polite? You don't give people a chance to express their feelings and I like this concert not because I'm an idiot and like everything about Robbie, I like it because it was great in my opinion!!!!
I'm sure that you will insist that it wasn't great etc, etc, etc. But here we express thoughts and opinions and not call each othet idiots etc, etc, etc. And not insult each other and Robbie or TT. But you insulted me and I think it's inappropriate here to call each other names:mad:

[balmullo]

You are missing the point completely!.
But - I cannot be bothered with this anymore. It is not worth the effort.
I will not be posting any more comments to the website forum, and in the process will probably make a few people very happy.

Balmullo x

[marw]

You are missing the point completely!.
But - I cannot be bothered with this anymore. It is not worth the effort.
I will not be posting any more comments to the website forum, and in the process will probably make a few people very happy.

Balmullo x

Really, I am sorry to hear it! You can explain yourself properly or maybe you already did it but I didn't understand it cause I'm only an idiot who thinks that Robbie is great:o :rolleyes: Why don't you want to be bothered with it anymore? You are allowed to express your thoughts as we all are!!!

[Jazz 67]

You are missing the point completely!.
But - I cannot be bothered with this anymore. It is not worth the effort.
I will not be posting any more comments to the website forum, and in the process will probably make a few people very happy.

Balmullo x

There are ways of posting your comments balmullo without insulting people with words like idiot.
You expressed your views of Sundays performance, others expressed theirs. Just because theirs was different to yours doesn't mean they are idiots. Have a little respect please.

[JimmyMel]

Hey...

Ease off on old Balmullo now.

I think I get what he is saying - he has posted some good positive views on RW...and a number of negative ones. So it appears to me that he does see both sides - as he poined out, he is a fan.

I think he has a point re: 'idiots' - whenever anyone posts something negative about RW, it seems to unleash a whole heap of personal abuse on the sender. That is not good.

I guess that Balmullo is just trying to fight back a bit.

PS - his comments about Twickenham were spot on.

[lazygoldfish]

I completely agree with Balmullo and West End Boy sentiments about Help for Heroes performance. Actually I agree with everything Balmullo wrote in this thread. Keep on posting B.

[Harry Pothead and the Stoned Philosopher]

I completely agree with Balmullo and West End Boy sentiments about Help for Heroes performance. Actually I agree with everything Balmullo wrote in this thread. Keep on posting B.


And therefor you join the over-reacting category.

Ballmullo mentions the need to 'take stock' - perhaps he should do likewise if he feels such scrutiny is necessary for an aging popstar at a charity event.

The numpty probably wasn't even in attendance. :rolleyes:

Some people!!!

[Jackie]

well, this was a charity event, and whoever performed well or didn't should not have their name dragged through the mud. imo.

and, it may not have been the perfect performance from him, but hey, that is what 'live' is, and he hadn't performed in a stadium since 2006, yet, he still managed to reach the back of a huge stadium. Which takes some doing.

So, kudos to Robbie :D

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[Robstoke]

RS, it's really not worth getting so wound up about. ..whilst there is absolutely nothing wrong with exploring the negative aspects of his life and performances, some peoples' reasons for being here might not be entirely objective in terms of expressing opinions for the sake of constructive discussion about Robbie...

Believe me Chrissie, I wouldnt get wound up over something like this. It is always good to receive constructive criticism, but not to poo poo everything, just for the sake of it.

It doesnt serve any purpose, and usually has the opposite effect of what the objective is purporting to achieve. We all know that Robbie isnt perfect - who is? It was a charity event, OK so we shouldnt take any old rubbish, but in context, this was a brilliant performance. Why keep knocking Robbie for everything single thing he does? I dont get it? Fans are supposed to support not destroy!

In any event, most on this forum have cricitised Robbie when we believe he did something we dont agree with. Unlike a few "fans" however, most also praise him, where praise is due. This is a fan site, not the Guardian art critique column, where we kick the stuffing out of everything good, bad or indifferent.

[chino]

I went to both the brits & help for heroes concerts - I taught the heroes gig was more like the Robbie of old. I was in the inner cricle & taught Robbie looked really good.

more of the same in the future please!:)

[Robstoke]

well, this was a charity event, and whoever performed well or didn't should not have their name dragged through the mud. imo.

and, it may not have been the perfect performance from him, but hey, that is what 'live' is, and he hadn't performed in a stadium since 2006, yet, he still managed to reach the back of a huge stadium. Which takes some doing.

So, kudos to Robbie :D

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I would also respectfully add, despite everything, who is everyone talking about? In a couple of years time, will anyone remember the performance by other talented artists such as James Blunt, Enrique, etc. I doubt it, they will be talking about Robbie - again. All good to me! Plus it all helped raise loads for this great cause.

Beverley Knight was the head liner act for a similiar event and they had to cancel it. Robbie turns up and hundreds of tickets are sold. Happy days me thinks!

[tammyinlalaland]

I think what Balmullo is saying (and I am guessing English would not be her/his first language which is why some of it seemed rude or out of order) is that there is an large tendency to go into hyper-active mommy bear mode when criticism directed toward him unless it is from those dubbed true-fans.

It happens a lot on other Robbie board, trust me as someone who often has an unpopular take on him, the rebuttals can be vicious. Those fans seem to lack of any realistic prospective on who he really is and what he has been through. It does not make those fans that see him in a less than glowing light bad fans, just realistic and/or jaded ones.

For example, it is in no way out of order or being a bad fan to wonder, question or assume that when he takes a pill on stage might be a drug. It is in no way, rude or bad fan etiquette to question it. After all, he is a drug addict addicted to pills that he started taking in part to deal with his anxiety he felt preforming in front a large audience. Also he and his management team have lied about use his and dependency before so to assume the mint/throat lozenge would be honest answer this time is unfair to expect blind obedience to their message.

People can look at performances and think they are bad, that is ok too. Opinions even differing ones are not bad, they are in fact necessary to keep a message board alive. Of what I saw and it was chopping from youtube, I thought all in all it was not bad, but it was not the best. He looked rusty and nervous, but it was not the worst performance he has ever given.

What I am saying is that Balmullo, etc's opinions even negative, are just as valid and worthwhile is those that are extreme in their worship of him.

[Last days of the disco]

i thought this could be a great comment, it surely is
...until i read the last sentence
why do you expect people just writing all positive?
why don`t you just allow them to have their own opinion?
it takes a lot of courage to have a dissenting opinion to the majority,
and i`m holding balmullo in high esteem though, i mentioned it already, i don`t
agree with most parts of what he/she said, but you can`t reproach him/her being authentic

m sorry if my comment seemed to suggest u cant say anything negative that was a liitle far what i however was saying is that if all u do is be negative its not a good way to be especially in the way this individual is

[Chrissie]

I think what Balmullo is saying (and I am guessing English would not be her/his first language which is why some of it seemed rude or out of order) is that there is an large tendency to go into hyper-active mommy bear mode when criticism directed toward him unless it is from those dubbed true-fans.

It happens a lot on other Robbie board, trust me as someone who often has an unpopular take on him, the rebuttals can be vicious. Those fans seem to lack of any realistic prospective on who he really is and what he has been through. It does not make those fans that see him in a less than glowing light bad fans, just realistic and/or jaded ones.

For example, it is in no way out of order or being a bad fan to wonder, question or assume that when he takes a pill on stage might be a drug. It is in no way, rude or bad fan etiquette to question it. After all, he is a drug addict addicted to pills that he started taking in part to deal with his anxiety he felt preforming in front a large audience. Also he and his management team have lied about use his and dependency before so to assume the mint/throat lozenge would be honest answer this time is unfair to expect blind obedience to their message.

People can look at performances and think they are bad, that is ok too. Opinions even differing ones are not bad, they are in fact necessary to keep a message board alive. Of what I saw and it was chopping from youtube, I thought all in all it was not bad, but it was not the best. He looked rusty and nervous, but it was not the worst performance he has ever given.

What I am saying is that Balmullo, etc's opinions even negative, are just as valid and worthwhile is those that are extreme in their worship of him.


I think the problem comes when people, from either side of the debate, present their opinions as irrefutable fact

I sometimes think all forums should be programmed to add the words "In my opinion" to the end of all posts, it would save an awful lot of bother :D

[tammyinlalaland]

I mentally start off every post I rad with "My opinion is: " and then whatever is actually written, it helps a lot

[Last days of the disco]

For example, it is in no way out of order or being a bad fan to wonder, question or assume that when he takes a pill on stage might be a drug. It is in no way, rude or bad fan etiquette to question it. After all, he is a drug addict addicted to pills that he started taking in part to deal with his anxiety he felt preforming in front a large audience. Also he and his management team have lied about use his and dependency before so to assume the mint/throat lozenge would be honest answer this time is unfair to expect blind obedience to their message.

Opinions are fine but to say assume the worst of people efg a pill or tablet menaing hes addicted to drugs seems a little strange to me if u are there fan. Finally to be so critical and the manner to seems wierd

[tammyinlalaland]

because he is a recovery drug addict with multiple falls off the wagon, some documented and some not. Since his last documented stint in rehab, he has gone to head shops in Amsterdam, admitted to use painkillers on at least a few occasions and was talking about having drinks with the TT kids while on said painkillers. For some examples...

Hopefully, he is honestly clean and attempting to run his life and career sober, but that is a big hope and there a lot of reason to suspect otherwise, especially when popping pills on stage

[Lullepups]

m sorry if my comment seemed to suggest u cant say anything negative that was a liitle far what i however was saying is that if all u do is be negative its not a good way to be especially in the way this individual is

well, you think it`s negative...someone else would think it´s positive...
it`s just in the eye of the beholder
the best way is to treat it neutral.


pertinent to this topic i found this:

One of the most interesting things I’ve discovered in studying various personality psychologies – ranging from George Kelly’s to Carl Jung’s – is that many agree on one thing. The way we judge a person reflects very strongly on us. In other words, if we see it in someone and have a strong reaction to it, it is very likely we have it in ourselves! Of course, whether or not we recognise this is a different matter.

if you want to read more (very interesting!):
http://www.urbanmonk.net/789/attachment-judging-mind/

[GurunessBrownie]

Tammy, fair enough to all what you last said. :)
But while you normally are obviously rather carefully with your words and your posts rather suggest your mentally added "in my opinion", other posters seem to imply their opinions (be it positive or negative) as facts.
And with all due respect, but no matter of which mother tongue a balmullo actually is, someone who is able to bring their opinion across in such a strong way, should imo be then again also linguistically able to cushion their comments towards other users/fans/posters of differing opinions ("I like winding all those Robbie obsessives up" or "too many fans on this site who are in denial" & "stop living in a state of denial").
Or they should imo add to their entitled opinion for example a "I thought, that...
-...it was not good"
-...his performance was very poor" etc.,
instead of seemingly making it a mission, to convince the others of their view as the only valid & true one. And this in a way, which has in my opinion - let's say - rude tendencies...

I was at the concert and without living in denial or without being unhealthily obsessive, I can say, that I thought it an amazing, sparkling show & atmosphere.
Even live, with 60,000 people around, singing along.
Regardless of any slips or imo totally unimportant & subjective seen blunders re the outfit choice.
As far as I know, most of the other 10,000's of the audience left the stadium with similar overwhelmed impressions on that night.
There always were & are points on him, which I am critical about.
Things, which at least I can light-heartedly condone, as they're far outweighed by those points, which make him to me the great, exceptional artist, that he once became.
And neither would I want to see myself tried to be persistently convinced of someone else's (entitled) opposing opinion, nor to receive rudeness for mine.

[tammyinlalaland]

I disagree with they outline their opinions as facts. It was a brilliant/awful concert cannot ever be facts, they are pure opinion.

The reader of any messageboard should know going in that every single post is opinion, minus the very few that offer information (like when a single goes on sale or when someone's birthday is); "this is great, that is awful, his wife is wonderful, his wife is the devil" are all just opinions and I think it is the read's responsiblity to understand that. Even how one inturpretsa fact or a set a facts is opinion.

Example: Fact is he took a pill on stage. That is the only fact involved,
What the pill is, why he took it, what it was used for, are all speculation and opinions.

Putting "IMO" has always seemed redundent and silly to me since it is all opinion. I will use it at times as it works with the flow of my comments but it should be assumed by the read that this is just the writer's opinion.

All that said, I am glad you had an awesome time and they raised a lot of money for the event (hopefully they reached the 750,000 pound mark that the person posted that they were trying for)

[GurunessBrownie]

Yes, Tammy, that's what I was on about: most posts on forums are surely in the first instance individual opinions.
Normally not always needed at all, to add any "imo" or "I find..."
But to me, a poster tries to suggest to make these opinions a seeming fact, when using words such as "He was indeed crap on Sunday.", but even if it is in reply to someone of a rather positive view of the concert
To reply as clockwork on opposing, enthusiastic views again and again with repeats of these suggestions & implications, is to me another sign for a try to enforce a consent.
It imo rather should all have better come along with these otherwise surely redundant, additional "imo" or "I found" remarks in this case.
And "...those idiots who think everything is wonderful about Robbie...", as well as the other samples that I gave, reflect to me once more the opinionated attitude behind their view, but also the mentioned rudeness.

Nice to see you sharing my joy over the concert. :) Thanks!
But as you said - after all let's not forget the actual cause of that concert and its aim...

[Laura130262]

But as you said - after all let's not forget the actual cause of that concert and its aim...

Absolutely. :)

And if you read the press it seems he met some of the soldiers on the quiet the day before the gig with no big hoo hah, just to give them a boost.

That to me is a far bigger measure of the man and sums him up really.

[Jackie]

a rather fabulous clip. And, with one fan holding up the Hello magazine saying 'you should have married me' he's got to love us fans :p

anyway, a typical Robbie performance for me and I love it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0ZTyE41bkk&feature=player_embedded#!

[Sly]

a rather fabulous clip. And, with one fan holding up the Hello magazine saying 'you should have married me' he's got to love us fans :p

anyway, a typical Robbie performance for me and I love it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0ZTyE41bkk&feature=player_embedded#!

thank you for sharing... that's a really cool clip...!

[thaisinhafc]

I read the thread and, although I disagree on the way it was written, in my opinion there is something balmullo was right about ("He is now in danger of being remembered as an erratic performer rather than a great entertainer. Oh what a shame...")

Although it was a very nice concert, I really think Robbie should rethink somethings he does on stage. He should take care of his voice (as a singer he should have stopped smoking years ago. ok, who am I to comment on his personal life, but that is what I think) and he doesn't have to make weird dances just because he can. He's a great entertainer, but he's a singer first. Sometimes I just miss a performance where he focuses on the music, on his singing, rather than trying to make people like him.

Sometimes I think this "entertainer" title isn't good at all, because it makes you think the singing is not the most important thing the fans wants to "see" on stage. I love his personality, but I really miss the performances where he's focused on the music, rather than trying to entertain. In my opinion, less is more and if Robbie applied this to his last performances, I think more people would've loved them.

I think this "less is more thing" should be applied as soon as possible, otherwise, when he performs with TT, people are going to accuse him of trying to upstage the others. And that will not be cool at all. And he definitely should take care of his voice, because the comparisons with the other guys performances are inevitable. And I don't think there is any problem in stepping up the game a little. Take some singing lessons, if that's the case. Stop screaming so much in the concerts! He should take care of his voice heath, because that's his treasure. People are totally allowed to see him as an entertainer, but he's a singer first. And for that reason, IMO, he should definitely be pushed to sing better and to give better performances! Even if the performances he did were good, in my opinion, they could've been a lot better. And I think it has to be said! :)

[thaisinhafc]

This performance here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1okYbIDNG1E) represents what I was trying to say on the post before. He was focused, his singing was AMAZING and his stage presence was huge. Ok, you may say that tv performances are different from stadium performances, and they really are, but I just posted it as an example of what he can do when he focuses in his singing! Less is more, Robbie!

[tinab]

I absolutely agree 100% with your assessment that Rob needs to take care of his voice. It is his voice and songs that sells albums. Playing live ...... there are so many factors that can influence a live performance - the band - the staging - the mixing - feedback - echo's in a large stadium. I suppose it is a lot to concerntrate on - no wonder he forgets the words occasionally! :o:o

I would hate to see the state of his lungs after the amount he has smoked - but it is his life. Will smoking change the timber of his voice? I am not sure. It would certainly change things like breath control I would assume.

As far as the title as being an entertainer is concerned - Rob gets bums on seats not only beacuse of his voice, it is because of his personality. You feel like an active member being in an audience with him on stage (mind you I have only seen him once at a small venue - lol). You participate in the show almost. He draws on the audience so much. He does get a bit hyper at times, but that is Rob.

He is not a performer that just 'goes through the motions'. He puts it everything into it.

[thaisinhafc]

I totally know what you mean, because I love the entertainer. I've been to his concert in Brazil, and even though the crowd was not that big, it was a fantastic experience. The emotion is huge and you can't help but go along with Robbie and his energy and that is fantastic! But I miss a voice/singing-focused performance... I guess that's what I was trying to say. :cool:

[balmullo]

IMO...

Once again, I would like to clarify the following...

There has been so many wonderful things to celebrate and enjoy with regard to Robbie's career. Twickenham on Sunday was not one of them. In my humble opinion it was an embarrassment of a performance and Robbie needs to get his head down and work hard to improve the following:-

- his singing
- his dancing
- his behaviour on stage

Regarding my 'idiots' comment. I would like to clarify this one more time:- It does not apply to people who comment about how wonderful he is. The comment only applies to people who respond to a negative comment about Robbie by hurling back a heap of abuse back to the sender.

Hopefully people will finally understand and therefore apply the correct context to my comments.

[miss understood]

imo, i thought he was fantastic and the peeps who where there bouncing along with him musta thought he was fantastic too :D

[balmullo]

He does still know how to work a crowd. He is however underselling his talent and is in danger of becoming a laughing stock because of developing a recent trend of live performance mistakes (X Factor x2, Apple Store, Twickenham).

[miss understood]

if the mistake on the x factor is the doors, then that wasnt his mistake that was the doors. :D

rob is well knowen for fluffing his lyrics. its part of him, its just rob, he been doing it a very long time as we all should know. its just rob :)

[Harry Pothead and the Stoned Philosopher]

He does still know how to work a crowd. He is however underselling his talent and is in danger of becoming a laughing stock because of developing a recent trend of live performance mistakes (X Factor x2, Apple Store, Twickenham).

The forgetting words aspect of RW seems to bother you most of all. However, this is far from a recent development.

In fact, this has been a foible of his since I can remember.

I would put the Albert Hall swing performance as his technically best ever show, yet he still fudged the lines during MyWay etc etc.

While the vocals certainly aren't as consistent as they were 10 years ago( hardly a shock for a 60-a-day smoker) he still can pull it off in my ever so unhumble opinion.:D

If this so utterly upsets you, I reccommend you avail of the sign-out facility located at the top right of your screen. :D

[tammyinlalaland]

why should Balmullo have to "sign-out" because s/he holds a different opinion? This person's opinion is as valid as yours or mine. It is a board for opinions on Robbie, his career, performances, songs, etc. It does not say only glowing sycophants need join.

Some people will have opinions that are not popular, why should that mean, they should not share them too?

[lamponefran]

why should Balmullo have to "sign-out" because s/he holds a different opinion? This person's opinion is as valid as yours or mine. It is a board for opinions on Robbie, his career, performances, songs, etc. It does not say only glowing sycophants need join.

Some people will have opinions that are not popular, why should that mean, they should not share them too?
It's always the same here Tammy, if your opinion differs from 4 or 5 peoples who think being the bosses of the site, they ask you to leave. Same for me, I couldn't say that I didn't want him in TT. A lot of persons have leave for that and go in another Robbie's sites. It's sad that we can't democraticly talk all about own opinions. :confused:

[Lullepups]

It's always the same here Tammy, if your opinion differs from 4 or 5 peoples who think being the bosses of the site, they ask you to leave. Same for me, I couldn't say that I didn't want him in TT. A lot of persons have leave for that and go in another Robbie's sites. It's sad that we can't democraticly talk all about own opinions. :confused:

loool
good one :D

You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted, then used against you.

[balmullo]

It's always the same here Tammy, if your opinion differs from 4 or 5 peoples who think being the bosses of the site, they ask you to leave. Same for me, I couldn't say that I didn't want him in TT. A lot of persons have leave for that and go in another Robbie's sites. It's sad that we can't democraticly talk all about own opinions. :confused:

Exactly!. Whenever I (or indeed anyone else) post a negative comment then we are either warned, edited or abused. That is why I posted the 'idiots' comment in reference to those who give threatening or abusive comments to senders who give less than positive comments about Robbie.

People should feel free to praise or indeed criticise Robbie.

This site is increasingly like a Banana Republic.

[miss understood]

just out of curiosity, why is there a need to be negative? is it because u dont like somthing he did or does? can someone please explain? meant in the nicest posible manner. :)

maybe people should know that lots of peeps dont like negative comments, it dont mean to say theyre idiots.

ok theres constructive critisism but do peeps think that rob is gonna change cause the peeps who are critisising want him to??

no offence to anyone ;) just my brains doing overtime. :D

[balmullo]

just out of curiosity, why is there a need to be negative? is it because u dont like somthing he did or does? can someone please explain? meant in the nicest posible manner. :)

maybe people should know that lots of peeps dont like negative comments, it dont mean to say theyre idiots.

ok theres constructive critisism but do u think that rob is gonna change cause the peeps who are critisising want him to??

It is surely better that people feel free to give an honest appraisal on Robbie's performances or music - either good or bad. I have no problem with people offering different views (either positive or negative). This is called constructive debate. What I do have a problem with is when people take it personally, edit, or get abusive when someone posts a negative comment about Robbie.

[miss understood]

It is surely better that people feel free to give an honest appraisal on Robbie's performances or music - either good or bad. I have no problem with people offering different views (either positive or negative). This is called constructive debate. What I do have a problem with is when people take it personally, edit, or get abusive when someone posts a negative comment about Robbie.

yes it is good to see both sides of an opinion, i agree, but peeps have very strong feelings for robbie and may not take to kindly to negative comments, they could see it as provocing ( excuse spelling), its no fault of their own and i dont pretend to know every rob fan and how they feel btw, its just how i see it and its just how they feel, rob can do no wrong in their eyes, nothing wrong with that either. rob has lots of people who are very loyal indeed. :)

[miss understood]

the way i see it is that some peeps dont realy understand or know how to have an open discusion without taking offence. dont get me wrong, i can get a bit annoyed with what some peeps say too but i try to see it from a negative and positive angel. :) its a tricky thing to do to understand the negative side :) some peeps are just natural at it. :D

[Harry Pothead and the Stoned Philosopher]

It is surely better that people feel free to give an honest appraisal on Robbie's performances or music - either good or bad. I have no problem with people offering different views (either positive or negative). This is called constructive debate. What I do have a problem with is when people take it personally, edit, or get abusive when someone posts a negative comment about Robbie.


I never suggested you should keep quiet, I merely pointed out that his poor memory for lyrics is not a recent development.

As it happens, I have many qualms with Robbie's recent beaviour over the last year or so, and these reservations are much more serious than a shoddy performance and/or forgetting a couple of lyrics.

[miss understood]

I never suggested you should keep quiet, I merely pointed out that his poor memory for lyrics is not a recent development.

As it happens, I have many qualms with Robbie's recent beaviour over the last year or so, and these reservations are much more serious than a shoddy performance and/or forgetting a couple of lyrics.


jeeze , wait till we read the book. shock horror!!! what are we in for? lol :D

[balmullo]

I never suggested you should keep quiet, I merely pointed out that his poor memory for lyrics is not a recent development.

As it happens, I have many qualms with Robbie's recent beaviour over the last year or so, and these reservations are much more serious than a shoddy performance and/or forgetting a couple of lyrics.

What qualms do you have? Are we are getting close to agreement!?.

I guess that why I was disappointed/worried about his recent performance is because it seems to be yet another indicator that something does not seem or feel right at present. Robbie looks haunted, old, tired and his behaviour is very erratic. This is just my humble opinion and I not trying to provoke - although I am sure many foes on this forum will still object to my comments

[miss understood]

if im honest i think he went out all guns blazing, prob a bit more than previous gigs, adrenlin can make somone try a bit too much somtimes, plus the size of the crowd, it was the biggest crowd he gigged infront of in a long time, i guess he was sheer buzzing.

but the crowd loved it. so did i, it was just like old times, all that bouncing about, i was " goosed" just watching him, remember he not getting any younger, plus he pulled a nice dance move out of the bag, that i loved. :D

[balmullo]

if im honest i think he went out all guns blazing, prob a bit more than previous gigs, adrenlin can make somone try a bit too much somtimes, plus the size of the crowd, it was the biggest crowd he gigged infront of in a long time, i guess he was sheer buzzing.

but the crowd loved it. so did i, it was just like old times, all that bouncing about, i was " goosed" just watching him, remember he not getting any younger, plus he pulled a nice dance move out of the bag, that i loved. :D

He was massively wired, which led to an over the top performance especially on LMEY. He needs to calm down a bit, keep the wit, but remove the gurning, and remember that less is more...

[Laura130262]

I firmly believe it's nerves.

I think he's just very very nervous about performing on his own at the minute and he can't hide it. When GB was up there with him he was like a different person. You could see him relax and I think he will be looking to Gary for support in the coming year through the TT tour.

I don't think he's totally got his confidence back and Sunday was a big ask for anyone - live on UK TV and in front of 60,000 people, let alone someone who has admitted in the past year to stage fright.

Having said all that I hope Sunday did go a little way towards proving to himself that he can still cut it solo at a major gig even if it did not go perfectly to plan.

[miss understood]

He was massively wired, which led to an over the top performance especially on LMEY. He needs to calm down a bit, keep the wit, but remove the gurning, and remember that less is more...

i know what u mean, he need to take deep breaths and relax a bit, after all he a dab hand at this little game called the music bizznizz. :D
i cant help think that when he tours with tt he will learn alot more than he has done on his own. :)

i think rob neednt worry if the crowd will get going, everyone knows his songs and they always sing and dance to them. no worrys there rob;)

[Laura130262]

He was massively wired, which led to an over the top performance especially on LMEY. He needs to calm down a bit, keep the wit, but remove the gurning, and remember that less is more...

I remember LMEY at Knebworth - he was so hyped for that he looked like he was about to burst. I guess it's adrenaline.

[miss understood]

I remember LMEY at Knebworth - he was so hyped for that he looked like he was about to burst. I guess it's adrenaline.
i guess rob is very sensitive to the old adrenaline. :)

[Harry Pothead and the Stoned Philosopher]

What qualms do you have? Are we are getting close to agreement!?.

I guess that why I was disappointed/worried about his recent performance is because it seems to be yet another indicator that something does not seem or feel right at present. Robbie looks haunted, old, tired and his behaviour is very erratic. This is just my humble opinion and I not trying to provoke - although I am sure many foes on this forum will still object to my comments


No, because your complaints are more superficial -- forgetting lyrics, imperfect vocals etc etc. My concerns run much deeper than this unfortunately.

My apprehensions ultimately won't affect my views on RW's music; however, what I think of him as an individual may, and it pains me to says this, be irreversibly tainted.

[miss understood]

i think he is very brave bringing out a new book, a warts n all and maybe he knows people will change their opinion of him from what they read in his book but its not like we dont know what he is like from previous autobiographies. i think this new one will be much the same.

[thaisinhafc]

I never suggested you should keep quiet, I merely pointed out that his poor memory for lyrics is not a recent development.

As it happens, I have many qualms with Robbie's recent beaviour over the last year or so, and these reservations are much more serious than a shoddy performance and/or forgetting a couple of lyrics.

And what are your reservations? It's not clear from what you wrote.

[thaisinhafc]

No, because your complaints are more superficial -- forgetting lyrics, imperfect vocals etc etc. My concerns run much deeper than this unfortunately.

My apprehensions ultimately won't affect my views on RW's music; however, what I think of him as an individual may, and it pains me to says this, be irreversibly tainted.

Why what you think of him as an individual is tainted?

[miss understood]

maybe its got somthing to do with him being married now? i dunno i think its part of the equation.

[GurunessBrownie]

Here's a scan of the relevant pages of the Heroes concert programme:


http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/1186/heroesprogramme1.jpg

http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/7351/heroesprogramme2.jpg

[miss understood]

very nice, but i do have one gripe,, i didnt know it was our war. sorry if im causing offence to anyone, i think the soldiers are brave and have given up alot but i cant get my head round that they heros for us in the uk, its not our war imo. * hides*
.

[Lullepups]

No, because your complaints are more superficial -- forgetting lyrics, imperfect vocals etc etc. My concerns run much deeper than this unfortunately.

My apprehensions ultimately won't affect my views on RW's music; however, what I think of him as an individual may, and it pains me to says this, be irreversibly tainted.

Irreversibly?
omg.
no.

if all things in life are irreversible i wouldn`t be here :D

you can use it as a sign to take another direction
...or let things stay the same.
but you can only find out yourself what kind of direction it is...

that`s life. :)

[miss understood]

Irreversibly?
omg.
no.

if all things in life are irreversible i wouldn`t be here :D

you can use it as a sign to take another direction
...or let things stay the same.
but you can only find out yourself what kind of direction it is...

that`s life. :)

i agree, forgive and forget afterall, its in the past. things are diff from now on here, people have strange ways for their reasons, if u know what i mean. :)

[Lullepups]

i agree, forgive and forget afterall, its in the past. things are diff from now on here, people have strange ways for their reasons, if u know what i mean. :)

if you mean it with no naughty hidden thoughts, i agree :D

[Susie]

Here's a scan of the relevant pages of the Heroes concert programme:


http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/1186/heroesprogramme1.jpg

http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/7351/heroesprogramme2.jpg

thank you GB for the scan, good read and a lovely picture of him.:) Its the same shot as my banner

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t33/therobbiewilliamssite/image004-1.jpg

[miss understood]

sorry but why did my post get deleted, i think its relevant for a lost of lives and limbs, its not our war!!!!!

[Jazz 67]

sorry but why did my post get deleted, i think its relevant for a lost of lives and limbs, its not our war!!!!!

its still there Missy.

[miss understood]

does any of the money raised go directly to the soldiers even though the goverment has made cuts???? ermm let me think about that

[miss understood]

its still there Missy.
oh ty jazz, im sorry for being a little emotional about it.

[miss understood]

its still there Missy.
jazz its not but hey i guess it was off topic, no offence to anyone,x

[Jazz 67]

jazz its not but hey i guess it was off topic, no offence to anyone,x

its at the bottom of page 33.

[GurunessBrownie]

jazz its not but hey i guess it was off topic, no offence to anyone,x


It's here, missy, as Jazz said:

http://www.robbiewilliams.com/forum/showpost.php?p=210777&postcount=330
very nice, but i do have one gripe,, i didnt know it was our war. sorry if im causing offence to anyone, i think the soldiers are brave and have given up alot but i cant get my head round that they heros for us in the uk, its not our war imo. * hides*
.

[Susie]

does any of the money raised go directly to the soldiers even though the goverment has made cuts???? ermm let me think about that

H4H miss understood is non political:)
I have put a link in about the charity with some info on it. http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/splash_who_are_we.html

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t33/therobbiewilliamssite/image004-1.jpg

[miss understood]

sorry jazz but i dont see it, it dont matter anyway, it ways off topic

[miss understood]

It's here, missy, as Jazz said:

http://www.robbiewilliams.com/forum/showpost.php?p=210777&postcount=330
im sorry angels, ty but no ty, now im gonna be hated, lol, uch well, bring it on :D

btw, did i mention.... u guys are gooooood. heehee

[balmullo]

This time, enough is enough. This is the last posting I will make on this site. I am wasting too much time here getting into debates with complete strangers!

Enjoy your forum. To all the sensitive souls on this forum - just remember, that opinions both positive and negative should be allowed and debated.

Good luck Robbie.

[miss understood]

:D ur kinda funny bull pml :D

[Dougal]

:D ur kinda funny bull pml :D

I bet you 10p that Bull does at least one more post:D

[Dougal]

This time, enough is enough. This is the last posting I will make on this site. I am wasting too much time here getting into debates with complete strangers!

Enjoy your forum. To all the sensitive souls on this forum - just remember, that opinions both positive and negative should be allowed and debated.

Good luck Robbie.

Such a shame, what a shame. pitiful shame, real shame, and stuff, proper shame, shame, shame:D

[miss understood]

Such a shame, what a shame. pitiful shame, real shame, and stuff, proper shame, shame, shame:D
pml:D

[Dougal]

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n84/brownie1067/Help%20for%20Heroes%20Concert%2012th%20September%2 02010/3f93324a.jpg

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n84/brownie1067/Help%20for%20Heroes%20Concert%2012th%20September%2 02010/913aac87.jpg

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n84/brownie1067/Help%20for%20Heroes%20Concert%2012th%20September%2 02010/55b895b0.jpg

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n84/brownie1067/Help%20for%20Heroes%20Concert%2012th%20September%2 02010/acf140d2.jpg

Anyway, where were we:confused: Arrh yes, Twickenham... bit good wasn't he;)

...and GB... :cool:pics as expected:)

(Oh and by GB I meant Guruness Brownie... not Gary Barlow:))

[Laura130262]

I don't like to read ganging up against another member - it's unnecessary. We're all adults here aren't we?

If one member has a problem with another fair enough, sort it out between the two of you - I don't think others need to wade in with comments intended to antagonise. Reminds me of playground bullying. :eek:

If we were all in the pub discussing this - no one would be made to feel they had to leave the bar just because they had a different opinion to most others. It might get heated but it would be sorted out. It should be the same in here.

Just imagine the person is in the same room. There wouldn't be so much goading then (IMO).

[miss understood]

Anyway, where were we:confused: Arrh yes, Twickenham... bit good wasn't he;)

...and GB... :cool:pics as expected:)

(Oh and by GB I meant Guruness Brownie... not Gary Barlow:))
nice pics ty for that


@ linny me not ganging up on anyone, i had a discussion with bull, seems she didnt want to let the subject go,

[Dougal]

I don't like to read ganging up against another member - it's unnecessary. We're all adults here aren't we?

If one member has a problem with another fair enough, sort it out between the two of you - I don't think others need to wade in with comments intended to antagonise. Reminds me of playground bullying. :eek:

If we were all in the pub discussing this - no one would be made to feel they had to leave the bar just because they had a different opinion to most others. It might get heated but it would be sorted out. It should be the same in here.

Just imagine the person is in the same room. There wouldn't be so much goading then (IMO).

Hi Laura:)

I didn't see it like that:eek:

IMO, some people push (not by way of giving a personal opinion, but by deliberately trying to wind people up) so much that they deserve what they get:eek:
I'm sure that the person in question has given out far more than he/she has taken in the last few days:rolleyes:

[miss understood]

I don't like to read ganging up against another member - it's unnecessary. We're all adults here aren't we?

If one member has a problem with another fair enough, sort it out between the two of you - I don't think others need to wade in with comments intended to antagonise. Reminds me of playground bullying. :eek:

If we were all in the pub discussing this - no one would be made to feel they had to leave the bar just because they had a different opinion to most others. It might get heated but it would be sorted out. It should be the same in here.

Just imagine the person is in the same room. There wouldn't be so much goading then (IMO).

its nothing like that, we are adults and i like to comply with the rules, there was no ganging up, if there was im sure the angels would tell me off,

if it seemed that way , then i do appologise. no offence intendeed :)
on the funny side, some how i dont see us all meeting up in a pub,pml, :D can u imagine how many angels we would need. rofl

[Dougal]

nice pics ty for that


@ linny me not ganging up on anyone, i had a discussion with bull, seems she didnt want to let the subject go,

Hey, don't thank me thank GB (not Gary Barlow).... go back in the thread theres more:D

[Jazz 67]

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t210/smiliesbrownie/smilies%20sprueche-schilder/sign_offtopic.gif Please!! :D:D

[miss understood]

okdoky,

i was glued to the tv when rob came on, loved his new dance move, i wanna call it the geeni lol:D nice one rob, even with that baggy pants.lol but i think it was to give u room to jump about like a maddie:D

[Dougal]

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n84/brownie1067/Help%20for%20Heroes%20Concert%2012th%20September%2 02010/a9dc6e25.jpg

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n84/brownie1067/Help%20for%20Heroes%20Concert%2012th%20September%2 02010/f5c20129.jpg

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http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n84/brownie1067/Help%20for%20Heroes%20Concert%2012th%20September%2 02010/42a6a5b9.jpg

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n84/brownie1067/Help%20for%20Heroes%20Concert%2012th%20September%2 02010/874ce77f.jpg

Looking good Robbie Rudebox:p

[Dougal]

okdoky,

i was glued to the tv when rob came on, loved his new dance move, i wanna call it the geeni lol:D nice one rob, even with that baggy pants.lol but i think it was to give u room to jump about like a maddie:D

I just hope his undies were supportive:o

[miss understood]

Looking good Robbie Rudebox:p
woohooo loving the pics dougs :) love the one where he is sticking his hips out bit like mik jagger, and he does freddy so well,,,

[miss understood]

I just hope his undies were supportive:o
well i think his pantaloons done the job, just :D

[Lullepups]

This time, enough is enough. This is the last posting I will make on this site. I am wasting too much time here getting into debates with complete strangers!

Enjoy your forum. To all the sensitive souls on this forum - just remember, that opinions both positive and negative should be allowed and debated.

Good luck Robbie.

so sorry to read this
but sometimes it`s important to protect yourself
if it takes you too much energy then
it`s not worth it, cause you`re the one to love yourself first!
i`m sure you will make your way...
have a good time :)

to all the others:
you have absoluteley no idea how to debate without judging!
everything a a critical person says will be taken personal...how bad ist that?
what you all don`t understand is that a "foe" or a "problem"
is a hidden gift for you all...if you want to know why read my added link a few sides behind!

we`ve got 2 years left to change people`s mind...oh dear! :D

[Laura130262]

we`ve got 2 years left to change people`s mind...oh dear! :D

What's happening in two years time Lullepups? :eek:

We are going to make it to the Olympics aren't we?

I want to watch the Marathon. :eek:

[Lullepups]

What's happening in two years time Lullepups? :eek:

We are going to make it to the Olympics aren't we?

I want to watch the Marathon. :eek:

ehm...not exactly what i meant, but somehow it hits the nail on the head :D
for more infos please google for 2012,the golden age, age of aquarius, the end of the mayan
calendar and so on...or ask enlighten 2012 *gg*
believe what you want it doesn`t matter to me, i`ve just posted a large post to another topic and i´m knackered :p
it`s off topic anyway ;)

[gazmate]

Took some cool photos of Robbie whilst at twickenham the other day take a look at

http://www.photoboxgallery.com/garykearneyphotography

:)

[robroy]

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[robroy]

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[robroy]

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[robroy]

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http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w56/robroy_bucket/H4H%202010/100912H4H_q.jpg

[lamponefran]

Beautiful photos Robroy, you was very near the stage. Great for you :)

[Susie]

wow robroy, thank you very much for letting us see.

some great shots there.:)

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t33/therobbiewilliamssite/image004-1.jpg

[Laura130262]

You were close Robroy :D

Lovely photos. :)

[GurunessBrownie]

Ya, lovely photos indeed, robroy! Thanks for sharing. :)
You have been close... it must have cost you some running... :p :D :D :D

[robroy]

Yeah GB, thanks also for sharing your fab pics :D
LOL...coming close never works without a bit of running :p ;)...
seems you had to run, too or you just had a better zoom ;):D:D

[Caroline cow]

His wedding photo shows him taking a tablet, and I saw him taking one on the Heroes Benifit concert. Are these to help him kick the nicotine cravings?

[EVELYNWILLIAMS]

thanks for sharing your pics with us Robroy, are so beautiful.

[Caroline cow]

you see Robbie taking a tablet on the Heroes concert before a song, and even in one of his wedding pics, you see him with the packet of tablets. Is this for nicotine cravings? Im pretty sure it is. There you go Ive answered my own question.

[linny]

nice pics ty for that


@ linny me not ganging up on anyone, i had a discussion with bull, seems she didnt want to let the subject go,

Just for the record, it wasn't me that said anything about ganging up on anyone :confused:

[DE44]

Beautiful photos Robroy, you was very near the stage. Great for you :)

Just great pix. Bravo and thanks for sharing.
Lucky you to be so near the stage/artists/but mostly ROB + GB
:):):)