Want to talk about philosophy?

[soulsista]

well done lullepups big pat on the back :)

[soulsista]

a book called the celestine prophecy I got it in the libary book sale

The first chapter talks about a manuscript found in Peru dating back to something like 600bc

The first insight occurs when we become conscious of the coincidences in our lives!!!

Heres a little more taken from the book these coincidences are happening more and more frequently and that when they do they strike us as beyond what would be expected by pur chance. They feel destined as thoughour lives have been guided by some unexplained force.

The first insight is a reconsideration of the inherent mystery that surrounds our individual lives on this planet. We are experiencing these mysterious coincidences and even though we dont understand them yet we know they are real. We are sensing again as in childhood that there is another side of life that we yet to discover some other process operating behind the scenes

the number of people who are concious of such coincidences would begin to grow dramatically in the sixth decade of the 20th century

The manuscript predicts that once we reach this critical mass the entire culture will begin to take these coincidental experiences seriously.

We will wonder in mass what mysterious process underlies human life on this planet.

And it will be this question asked at the same time by enough people that will allow the other insights to also come into conciousness ....when a sufficent amount of individuAls seriosly question whats going on in life we will begin to find out The other insights will be revealed ...one after the other.

The second insight is more a correct interpretation of recent history one that further clarifies transformation.

[Lullepups]

the celestine prophecy volumes are very interesting souli!
i read them years ago and they are kind of powerful and mysterious
it`s been made into a film, but i would advice against it
i think it failed cause it`s too difficult to transfer such a transcendental topic into a screenplay
though james redfield was involved in the shooting (as far as i know)

[Lullepups]

This message is very simple. It points to who you really are beyond all the words and concepts. Recognise who you are, and know that there is not, and never has been any separation.

Absolute Wholeness... Absolute Oneness...

Absolute Love...
This is who YOU are.

And yet, seeking is such a dramatic game that Life plays with itself. Seeking to fill that empty hole in 'my life' which seems so painful. Seeking for some kind of permanent security or satisfaction. Hoping that 'one day I will find what I'm looking for'. Whatever is, right now, never seems to be enough...
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Recognising who You are is the end of overlooking that which has never been anywhere but right here. The end of pretending to know or trying to know. This is absolute Not-Knowing. Forever falling in absolute insecurity. This is what I am. I am what You are. Life itself. Actually finding what you have been looking for. Finding that it has never been anywhere but right here. Realising the paradox of Life.

Unmani

[Lullepups]

"Whether it is to a god, or a guru, a teacher or a lover, we love to surrender totally. This is why the devotional path is so popular in some religions and cultures, and also becoming more popular in the West. We long to surrender. It does not matter to what or to whom, it is the very act of surrender which sacrifices all arrogance and separation to the altar of Life. In the act of surrender the protecting game is exposed for what it is. In surrendering totally to a guru or to a lover, there is no inside and no outside, no guru or lover. In the total surrender, all that is left is Love. We long to disappear or to lose ourselves completely and yet we also run from it in terror. If we surrender completely then we will lose all control, all limits and all identity. We are terrified of this possibility and yet we are exhausted with the effort of maintaining and defending a separate identity.

In Western culture usually we have too much pride to bow down and surrender to someone else. The word “surrender” is often interpreted as admitting defeat or being weak. But surrendering means falling into the total openness of who you are. This is not weak and is in no way any kind of defeat. This is recognising that you are life itself. Recognising that you have no boundaries, mental, emotional or physical, and knowing yourself as wide beyond any limiting sense of self you might have. No longer relying on thoughts, beliefs and assumptions. No longer finding any safety in what you think. Surrender is losing everything so that all that is left is Life happening presently.

Surrender is intimacy, vulnerability. Exposing that you don’t know, and perhaps that you are really quite scared and lost. There is an absolute strength and power in that open vulnerability. Recognise the openness that seems to be covered up with ideas of who you think you are and who you pretend to be, and know that who you really are can never be hurt or undermined. You are life itself. Surrender is standing aside and no longer pretending to know it all and be in control. Standing aside and letting Life take you over and engulf you completely. There is no one to defend or protect, there is only vulnerable, unhidden, and undefended Self. If there is pain there is pain, if the is joy there is joy, but no matter what happens, there is no barrier and no escape from what is. Whether thought agrees or not, there is an absolute in-loveness with what is, no matter what. Life doing you. This is Love.

Thought tries to do the surrender. This is not what I mean. You can not do this surrender. It is recognising the surrender that is already. Recognising that there is no 'you' here to do anything and see that this is already the surrender. This is already the Love. It is too late to try either to hold on or to surrender. Life is already absolute surrender right now. There is no god, guru, teacher or lover. There are no boundaries which separate you from anything or anyone else. Simply an in-loveness with what is.

All is lost. A dying into what is right now. This is surrender. What we call awakening is actually being touched so deeply by what is, that it destroys your life. Everything, without exception, is lost to right now.

Dare to let Life take you. Lose yourself and know what Love is."


Unmani

[soulsista]

the celestine prophecy volumes are very interesting souli!
i read them years ago and they are kind of powerful and mysterious
it`s been made into a film, but i would advice against it
i think it failed cause it`s too difficult to transfer such a transcendental topic into a screenplay
though james redfield was involved in the shooting (as far as i know)

Yeah I remember u said u had :)
I agree I watched the film and intent to finish reading the book ...hopefully for a better understanding.

[Lullepups]

Yeah I remember u said u had :)
I agree I watched the film and intent to finish reading the book ...hopefully for a better understanding.

of course you do...you`re a woman :p

what about chatting via pm? :)

[soulsista]

of course you do...you`re a woman :p

what about chatting via pm? :)

Was just thinking that mybe I overlooked some facts within all the action ....or mybe it is just as simple as the film layout

ps Check ur box U got Mail!

[Lullepups]

Was just thinking that mybe I overlooked some facts within all the action ....or mybe it is just as simple as the film layout

ps Check ur box U got Mail!


you too!

i probably have an example how the insights of the celestine prophecies work
...it was a real concious perception

my son had his first consultation hour at the psychologist and we were late
i knew the adress but somehow i couldn`t find the correct house number in the city
with loads of shops, restaurants, offices etc...
i asked my guides to help me and then my view was directed to a small entrance...
i thought it was impossible cause we passed by a few minutes ago,
but then my view was zoomed on the house number like a telephoto lens (we were
standing over the road), somehow the picture of it was silhouetted against the other houses and...bingo! it was the correct entrance

i also tried to focus the energy fields (please correct me if it is wrong, i have no
translator for psychic language use :D) when i walk through the nature, and it really worked...i could see them! you just have to be an observer to what`s happening around you :)

[soulsista]

Thats a good example I forgot about that part! Yeah I get that too

Was at the swimming the other day and took trainers out of the locker and threw them into a changing room n the landed together on the seat ...I threw them with intent of doing that n it happened ....just a funny fluke perhaps :D

Hope your sons ok

[Lullepups]

Thats a good example I forgot about that part! Yeah I get that too

Was at the swimming the other day and took trainers out of the locker and threw them into a changing room n the landed together on the seat ...I threw them with intent of doing that n it happened ....just a funny fluke perhaps :D

Hope your sons ok

LOL

...who knows? :rolleyes:

thanks, he is fine
always the cheeky little devil :)

[Lullepups]

An old Cherokee chief was teaching his grandson about life…

“A fight is going on inside me,” he said to the boy.

“It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves.

“One is evil – he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, self-doubt, and ego.

“The other is good – he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith.

“This same fight is going on inside you – and inside every other person, too.”

The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather,

“Which wolf will win?”

The old chief simply replied,

“The one you feed.”

Author Unknown

[I-wona]

We like the most something that is changeable and capricious, unexpectable and strange: seashore that is a bit of land and a bit of water, sunset that is a bit of darkness and a bit of of light and the spring that is a bit of cold and a bit of warm. (T.Jansson if it is well translated)

[Lullepups]

This gift is from Atisha, a second century Tibetan teacher

When you breathe in, imagine you are breathing in the miseries of the people in the world - all the hardness, all the negativity and abuse, all the non-love that exists anywhere. Breathe it in and let it be absorbed in your Heart.

The so-called positive thinkers of the West say just the opposite but they don't know what they are saying. They say, when you breathe out throw out all your misery and negativity; and when you breathe in take in joy, positivity, happiness, cheerfulness. Atisha's powerful method is just the opposite.

breathe in all the misery and suffering of all the beings of the world.
When you exhale, breathe out all the joy you have ---
all the unconditional love, all the peace, all the silence.

You will be surprised at what happens. The moment you take in the sufferings of the world they are no longer sufferings. The Inner Heart immediately transforms the energy. The spiritual Heart is a transforming force. Drink in misery and it is transformed into blissfulness... then pour it out.

When you inhale,
Breathe out and pour yourself into existence.
This is the method of compassion:
Drink in suffering and pour out blessings.


Compassion is being a transforming force in existence - transforming the ugly into the beautiful, kissing the frog and transforming it into a prince, transforming pain into healing, darkness into light.

If you find any hindrance in the meditation, notice if you are holding on to expectations and release through heart breathing

Once you have learned that your Heart can do this magic, this miracle of giving, you will like to do it more and more.

Begin with yourself.
Breathe your pain, your suffering, your conflicts and knots into your own pure inner Heart.
Then breathe out from your Heart into all parts of yourself.


Keep going... and notice your increasing lightness.




- adapted from Osho, “The Book of Wisdom”


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“If you can experience it - this is of tremendous importance - then start absorbing it. Don't throw it away. It is such a valuable energy; don't throw it away. Absorb it, drink it, accept it, welcome it, feel grateful to it. And say to yourself, 'This time I'm not going to avoid it, this time I'm not going to reject it, this time I'm not going to throw it away. This time I will drink it and receive it as a guest. This time I will digest it.'

“It may take a few days for your to be able to digest it, but the day it happens you have stumbled upon a door which will take you really far. A new journey has started in your life, you are moving into a new kind of being.....

“But start with your own self. Make a small experiment with your own pains, sufferings and miseries. The moment you accept the pain with no reject anywhere, its energy and its quality changes. It is no longer pain.

“And once you have found the key, then you can share it with the whole existence. Then you can take all the suffering of all the world, or all the worlds.

“Ride on the incoming breath and your small heart becomes bigger than the whole universe, then you know what miracles it can do. And pour out your blessings. It is the same energy passing through your heart that becomes bliss, that becomes blessing. Then let blessings go riding on the outgoing breath to all the nooks and corners of existence."



- from Osho, quoted in "Relaxing Into Clear Seeing" by Arjuna Nick Ardagh

[soulsista]

The Egg by Andy Weir

You were on your way home when you died.
It was a car accident. Nothing particularly remarkable, but fatal nonetheless. You left behind a wife and two children. It was a painless death. The EMTs tried their best to save you, but to no avail. Your body was so utterly shattered you were better off, trust me.
And that’s when you met me.
“What… what happened?” You asked. “Where am I?”
“You died,” I said, matter-of-factly. No point in mincing words.
“There was a… a truck and it was skidding…”
“Yup,” I said.
“I… I died?”
“Yup. But don’t feel bad about it. Everyone dies,” I said.
You looked around. There was nothingness. Just you and me. “What is this place?” You asked. “Is this the afterlife?”
“More or less,” I said.
“Are you god?” You asked.
“Yup,” I replied. “I’m God.”
“My kids… my wife,” you said.
“What about them?”
“Will they be all right?”
“That’s what I like to see,” I said. “You just died and your main concern is for your family. That’s good stuff right there.”
You looked at me with fascination. To you, I didn’t look like God. I just looked like some man. Or possibly a woman. Some vague authority figure, maybe. More of a grammar school teacher than the almighty.
“Don’t worry,” I said. “They’ll be fine. Your kids will remember you as perfect in every way. They didn’t have time to grow contempt for you. Your wife will cry on the outside, but will be secretly relieved. To be fair, your marriage was falling apart. If it’s any consolation, she’ll feel very guilty for feeling relieved.”
“Oh,” you said. “So what happens now? Do I go to heaven or hell or something?”
“Neither,” I said. “You’ll be reincarnated.”
“Ah,” you said. “So the Hindus were right,”
“All religions are right in their own way,” I said. “Walk with me.”
You followed along as we strode through the void. “Where are we going?”
“Nowhere in particular,” I said. “It’s just nice to walk while we talk.”
“So what’s the point, then?” You asked. “When I get reborn, I’ll just be a blank slate, right? A baby. So all my experiences and everything I did in this life won’t matter.”
“Not so!” I said. “You have within you all the knowledge and experiences of all your past lives. You just don’t remember them right now.”
I stopped walking and took you by the shoulders. “Your soul is more magnificent, beautiful, and gigantic than you can possibly imagine. A human mind can only contain a tiny fraction of what you are. It’s like sticking your finger in a glass of water to see if it’s hot or cold. You put a tiny part of yourself into the vessel, and when you bring it back out, you’ve gained all the experiences it had.
“You’ve been in a human for the last 48 years, so you haven’t stretched out yet and felt the rest of your immense consciousness. If we hung out here for long enough, you’d start remembering everything. But there’s no point to doing that between each life.”
“How many times have I been reincarnated, then?”
“Oh lots. Lots and lots. An in to lots of different lives.” I said. “This time around, you’ll be a Chinese peasant girl in 540 AD.”
“Wait, what?” You stammered. “You’re sending me back in time?”
“Well, I guess technically. Time, as you know it, only exists in your universe. Things are different where I come from.”
“Where you come from?” You said.
“Oh sure,” I explained “I come from somewhere. Somewhere else. And there are others like me. I know you’ll want to know what it’s like there, but honestly you wouldn’t understand.”
“Oh,” you said, a little let down. “But wait. If I get reincarnated to other places in time, I could have interacted with myself at some point.”
“Sure. Happens all the time. And with both lives only aware of their own lifespan you don’t even know it’s happening.”
“So what’s the point of it all?”
“Seriously?” I asked. “Seriously? You’re asking me for the meaning of life? Isn’t that a little stereotypical?”
“Well it’s a reasonable question,” you persisted.
I looked you in the eye. “The meaning of life, the reason I made this whole universe, is for you to mature.”
“You mean mankind? You want us to mature?”
“No, just you. I made this whole universe for you. With each new life you grow and mature and become a larger and greater intellect.”
“Just me? What about everyone else?”
“There is no one else,” I said. “In this universe, there’s just you and me.”
You stared blankly at me. “But all the people on earth…”
“All you. Different incarnations of you.”
“Wait. I’m everyone!?”
“Now you’re getting it,” I said, with a congratulatory slap on the back.
“I’m every human being who ever lived?”
“Or who will ever live, yes.”
“I’m Abraham Lincoln?”
“And you’re John Wilkes Booth, too,” I added.
“I’m Hitler?” You said, appalled.
“And you’re the millions he killed.”
“I’m Jesus?”
“And you’re everyone who followed him.”
You fell silent.
“Every time you victimized someone,” I said, “you were victimizing yourself. Every act of kindness you’ve done, you’ve done to yourself. Every happy and sad moment ever experienced by any human was, or will be, experienced by you.”
You thought for a long time.
“Why?” You asked me. “Why do all this?”
“Because someday, you will become like me. Because that’s what you are. You’re one of my kind. You’re my child.”
“Whoa,” you said, incredulous. “You mean I’m a god?”
“No. Not yet. You’re a fetus. You’re still growing. Once you’ve lived every human life throughout all time, you will have grown enough to be born.”
“So the whole universe,” you said, “it’s just…”
“An egg.” I answered. “Now it’s time for you to move on to your next life.”
And I sent you on your way.

[Lullepups]

what a great story, souli

it reminds me of a book, mary by ella kensington

mary is a soul who`s sent into a new incarnation,
with the difference that she should keep her memory of the divine source alive...
she`s got a tough life and doesn`t understand people`s behaviour,
but she is so pleased with her experiences even if they are poor (from our point of view!)

life`s just a play, and we are the actors
that`s how god must see us: little children playing around and making experiences :D

[I-wona]

what a great story, souli

life`s just a play, and we are the actors
that`s how god must see us: little children playing around and making experiences :D

It's interesting, indeed,
Sometimes unexpected things happen and our life is not only a play. You can't stop it and move to another stage forgetting the past. It is not so easy.

[I-wona]

In French ‘coup de foudre’ means love at first sight but literally ‘hit by a thunder’. If it happens just close your eyes, turn back and run away (screaming is not obligatory). Do not try to talk or to have anything in common with that person! All kinds of thunders, the real ones and the love ones, kill or at least cause severe damages thus be careful.

[Lullepups]

In French ‘coup de foudre’ means love at first sight but literally ‘hit by a thunder’. If it happens just close your eyes, turn back and run away (screaming is not obligatory). Do not try to talk or to have anything in common with that person! All kinds of thunders, the real ones and the love ones, kill or at least cause severe damages thus be careful.

:confused:

[I-wona]

:confused:

All right, sometimes it is bliss (this love at first sight).

[soulsista]

Lightning never strikes the same place twice;)

[Lullepups]

at present we`ve got chaotic, aggressive and confusing energies run high
this will last until sunday
the energies are going to rise immensly to bring us to the 4th dimension
between christmas and new year
the uprising of the energies is at cyberspeed and our bodies can`t fulfil
the speed...nuture yourself well these days :)

[Thumpelina]

"Flowers are restful to look at. They have neither emotions nor conflicts."
- S. Freud

But then again, who knows?

[Lullepups]

"Flowers are restful to look at. They have neither emotions nor conflicts."
- S. Freud

But then again, who knows?

i don`t know what your question is related to, i know for sure that i don`t want to know everything

the more i try to understand the meaning of it all the the less i do control my life

(haven`t we got all the fears to lose control? isn`t it true that if we are going to hold on to securities we will lose them straight away?)

my experience is that my knowledge makes me unhappy, and i´m willing to give the control
of my life in the hands of a greater truth (?)...i know there is one, and this is the meaning of: "going with the flow..."
this won`t work from one day to another, it is a tedious process, but somewhen i`m going to reap my sow

my dreams probably won`t come true, but i know that i will get what i need instead
otherwise if my dreams will come true too soon, i won`t have a purpose anymore? ...then i`m really f***d :D

i really believe that all wishes are just illusions...realizing that here and now is the perfect place to be is the purpose, how can anyone be happy longing for something which still has no form in the future?

and if we are creators and this form depends on what our thoughts, why not thinking everythings just fine atm, cause time and space are just illusions? (i know they are, i sometimes have precognitive dreams and visions)...



uh, i just got lost in thought...i guess it was unfamiliar territory LOL

[Lullepups]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p-1AR1dPRM&feature=player_embedded

:D

[I-wona]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p-1AR1dPRM&feature=player_embedded

:D

Thanks, interesting ...

[soulsista]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqMH2f0XGeU&feature=related
informative vid to start the new year :)

[Lullepups]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqMH2f0XGeU&feature=related
informative vid to start the new year :)


the vid is similar to deepak chopras books, souli ;)

i must admit that i don`t need this stuff anymore...that`s what ive heard/read a thousand times,
and as long as you need these informations/experiences they`ll fit you well...they say we teach the best what we mostly need to learn :)
you will watch your thoughts as they set up and add a higher frequency to them, but it needs high concentration and self-discipline (hard work!)
the reward is manifesting what you want, experience more positive and unlimited thoughts...it`s bringing illumination, insights and focused awareness...and it`s worthwile to stay the course!!!

i got the information that my transformation is nearly finished...i`m on level 13...didn`t know what it means, but
i`ve read it`s the last level on the light body-process (don`t know if it`s the right word for it - you see, all i know is that i know nothing) :D

[soulsista]

:D
I think its a good film bringing together alot of thoughts in one place
Thanks for the book link :)

Happy New Year to you Lullepups All the best :)

[Lullepups]

:D
I think its a good film bringing together alot of thoughts in one place
Thanks for the book link :)

Happy New Year to you Lullepups All the best :)

thanx and dito, soulsista! :)

motivation anyone?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj0Tt7y8rog

...self-aggrandizing?
not the slightest :D
rather self-sacrifice...
not to be confused with
self-abondonment :)

[Lullepups]

http://www.hsperson.com/

the self test is very telling :o :)

[Lullepups]

just a small excerpt from a very wise man :)


Your fate does not surprise you
You are your destiny
Your encounters are not surprising
Because you are not separated from them
Your death does not scare you
Because you have died a thousand times


Your movements are the movements of the world
Your transformations are the transformations of the world
Your resting is just an illusion
Your death is just a word.

You think you are something special
But you are just a wave in the ocean
You think that you are self-employed
But you are only a meeting place of hundreds and thousands of forces

You think you can dispose yourself
Because you do not see what attracts and drives you
You think you have to do something
But your effort is just resistance.

If you are hurt, do not run away
If you have hopes, do not hold on to them
If you are looking for freedom, the search will
bind you

You strive because you are miserable
You think because you are scared
But your striving will never be your bliss

You are looking for a refuge
But there is no protection
Looking for a way out
But there is none

Your feeling is the truth
Your imagination is an illusion
You are chasing the appearance
And the truth is haunting you

Your perception is the filtered world
your thoughts are filtered perception
What is it you are reaching for?

If there is nothing left to hold on
You will not fall
If any house is destroyed
Nothing turns on you
If any wish is poisoned
Nothing brakes away
When everything is lost
The world turns to you

If you want to rest in the world
You have to love the taste of the world
If you love taste of the world
You have to get to know it
You want to get to know it
You have to be sensitive
If you want to be sensitive
you have to give up all resistance
if you want to give up all resistance
You have to stay on the spot
Your ego dies a thousand deaths
The world is born within you

Inside tension and relaxation
The harmony of the world comes to existance

Day and Night
Rise and Fall
Growth and decay are reactions
Hunger freezing and fear are reactions
Understanding and not-understanding
Devotion and prevention
Darkness and enlightenment are reactions

But you are all these things.

Once you have seen a land of perfect beauty
Did you forget it?
Once your actions came from the fountain of innocence
Did you forget it?
Once your feelings contained the whole world
Did you throw it away?


It is still inside of you

[Lullepups]

As I began to love myself I found that anguish and emotional suffering are only warning signs that I was living against my own truth.

Today, I know, this is “AUTHENTICITY“.



As I began to love myself I understood how much it can offend somebody as I try to force my desires on this person, even though I knew the time was not right and the person was not ready for it, and even though this person was me.

Today I call it “RESPECT“.



As I began to love myself I stopped craving for a different life, and I could see that everything that surrounded me was inviting me to grow.

Today I call it “Maturity“.



As I began to love myself I understood that at any circumstance, I am in the right place at the right time, and everything happens at the exactly right moment, so I could be calm.

Today I call it “SELF-CONFIDENCE“.



As I began to love myself I quit steeling my own time, and I stopped designing huge projects for the future. Today, I only do what brings me joy and happiness, things I love to do and that make my heart cheer, and I do them in my own way and in my own rhythm.

Today I call it “SIMPLICITY“.



As I began to love myself I freed myself of anything that is no good for my health – food, people, things, situations, and everything the drew me down and away from myself. At first I called this attitude a healthy egoism.

Today I know it is “LOVE OF ONESELF“.



As I began to love myself I quit trying to always be right, and ever since I was wrong less of the time.

Today I discovered that is “MODESTY“.



As I began to love myself I refused to go on living in the past and worry about the future. Now, I only live for the moment, where EVERYTHING is happening.



Today I live each day, day by day, and I call it “FULFILLMENT“.



As I began to love myself I recognized that my mind can disturb me and it can make me sick. But As I connected it to my heart, my mind became a valuable ally.

Today I call this connection “WISDOM OF THE HEART“.



We no longer need to fear arguments, confrontations or any kind of problems with ourselves or others. Even stars collide, and out of their crashing new worlds are born.

Today I know THAT IS “LIFE“!

[Lullepups]

you can`t force to love yourself, cause it`s a state out of the mind
(it`s the same as if someone would say : "go and love the person over there")
ask yourself the question:
what if i didn`t have to love myself?
just wait and feel a moment...
from this moment on you stop trying to love yourself
you will recognize that you are doing the best as a human
you can feel the good and bad feelings, your strenghts and weaknesses
your successes and failures
when you feel that exactly this is the meaning of being human
then you will feel the love in your life and see it as a gift ;)

[I-wona]

'Everything comes at the perfect time and in the perfect way'. More or less it's true. And our mistakes: to miss a chance or to regret not trying. I guess love also comes in due (maybe not expected) time.

[Lullepups]

inner joy doesn`t depend on outward circumstances...being happy is a feeling you have,
a state of mind, not relying on other people or material things...you can be as happy as you choose to be in any given situation


-doing something that makes another feel good
-being true to yourself
-being grateful with what you have
-acceptance that things aren`t going well



"If you want to live a happy life, tie it to a goal, not to people or objects"
Albert Einstein

[Lullepups]

Message for the victims of the Japan earthquake

http://spiritualeducationforexcellence.blogspot.com/2011/03/message-for-victims-of-japan-earthquake.html


PRAYERS FOR JAPAN

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcbit8_K7yA

[Lullepups]

spring forecasts :)



psychic point of view

http://ezinearticles.com/?Full-Moon-Psychic-Energy-Reading---March-2011&id=6073219



astrology

http://www.metaphysicalwisdom.com/main/blog

[Lullepups]

hows it going to be?

everything in your life will be amazingly simple, cause you dont have to fight no more to get the things you need/want...
its so stunning that you sometimes really can`t believe how simple it is and you will often initiate actively problems just because you are quite used to it :eek:

everythings much more at ease, the mind gets calm, your heart is open and there will be no more ups and downs...which means it doesn`t impress you anymore what happens in the outer world (but you are still fully aware of what is going on around you),
you are just more flexible and go-with-the-flow

its the end of the drama...low points fall away since you dont need them anymore and so do extremely highs
(the two indicators whenever you have expectations of someone/-thing to fulfill your desires and needs)
you just know that everything comes at the perfect time for you, and if nothing really happens you are aware that you dont need anything right now...

if your dreams wont come true, remember that not getting what you want is sometimes a wonderful stroke of luck (dalai lama)
yes, sometimes when you dont get what you want you are lucky because it turned out that you got something better anyways :)

why do i write this?
Share your knowledge. It is a way to achieve immortality.



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[Lullepups]

wow...so glad i just found this...its english/german and about relations/relationships

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwzwBGcvM0o

part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MbUNi0KdRQ&feature=related

[Lullepups]

Part 1

Existence is energy, the movement of energy in so many ways and so many forms. As far as human existence is concerned, this energy is kundalini energy. Kundalini is the focused energy of the human body and human psyche.

Energy can exist either manifested or unmanifested. It can remain in the seed or it can come up in a manifested form. Every energy is either in seed or in manifested form. Kundalini means your total potential, your total possibility. But it is a seed; it is the potential. The ways to awaken kundalini are ways to make your potential actual.

So first of all, kundalini is not something unique. It is only human energy as such. But ordinarily only a part of it is functioning, a very minute part. Even that part is not functioning harmoniously; it is in conflict. That is the misery, the anguish. If your energy can function harmoniously then you feel bliss, but if it is in conflict — if it is antagonistic to itself — then you feel miserable. All misery means that your energy is in conflict, and all happiness, all bliss, means that your energy is in harmony.

Why is the whole energy only potential, not actual? It is not needed as far as day-to-day life is concerned; it is not required. Only that part becomes functional that is required, challenged. Day-to-day life is not a challenge to it, so only a very minute part becomes manifest. And even this small, manifested part is not harmonious because your day-to-day life is not integrated.

Your needs are in conflict. Society requires one thing and your instincts require something quite contradictory. Social requirements and personal requirements are in conflict. Society has its requirements; morality and religion have their requirements. These conflicts have prevented man from being a harmonious whole. They have made man fragmentary.

In the morning one thing is required; in the afternoon something else is required. Your wife requires something from you; your mother requires something quite contrary. Then day-to-day life becomes a conflicting demand on you, and the minute part of your total energy that has become manifest is in conflict with itself.

There is also another conflict. The part that has become manifest will always be in conflict with the part that has not yet become manifest; the actual will always be in conflict with the potential. The potential will push itself to be manifested and the actual will suppress it.

To use psychological terms, the unconscious is always in conflict with the conscious. The conscious will try to dominate it, because it is always in danger of the unconscious manifesting itself. The conscious is under control, and the potential, the unconscious, is not. You can manage the conscious, but with an explosion of the unconscious you will be in insecurity. You will not be able to manage it. That is the fear of the conscious. So this is the other conflict, greater and deeper than the first: the conflict between the conscious and the unconscious, between the energy that has become manifest and the energy that wants to be manifested.

These two types of conflict are why you are not in harmony. And if you are not in harmony, your energy will become antagonistic to you. Energy needs movement, and movement is always from the unmanifest toward the manifest, from the seed toward the tree, from the dark toward the light.

This movement is possible only if there is no suppression. Otherwise the movement, the harmony, is destroyed and your energy becomes an enemy to you. You become a house divided against itself; you become a crowd. Then you are not one; you are many.

This is the situation that exists as far as human beings are concerned. But this should not be. This is why there is ugliness and misery. Bliss and beauty can come only when your life energy is in movement, in easy movement, relaxed movement — unsuppressed, uninhibited; integrated, not fragmentary; not in conflict with itself, but one and organic. When your energy comes to this harmonious unity — that is what is meant by kundalini.

Kundalini is just a technical term for your whole energy when it is in unity, in movement, in harmony, without any conflict; when it is cooperative, complementary and organic. Then and there, there is a transformation — unique and unknown.

When energies are in conflict you want to relieve them. You feel at ease only when your conflicting energies are released, thrown off. But whenever you throw them off, your life energy, your vitality, moves downward, or outward. The downward movement is the outward movement, and the upward movement is the inward movement. The more your energies go up, the more they go in; the more they go down, the more they move out. If you throw your conflicting energies out you will feel relief. But that is just like throwing your life away in bits and fragments, in installments. It is suicidal. Unless our life energy becomes one and harmonious, and the flow becomes inward, we are suicidal.

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[Lullepups]

When you are throwing out energy you feel relieved, but the relief is bound to be momentary because you are a constant source of energy. Energy accumulates again and you will have to get rid of it again. What is ordinarily known as pleasure is just a throwing off of conflicting energies. Pleasure means that you are relieved of a burden. It is always negative, never positive. But bliss is positive. It comes only when your energies are fulfilled.


When your energies are not thrown out but have an inward flowering, when you become one with them and are not in conflict with them, then there is a movement inward. That movement is endless. It becomes deeper and deeper, and the deeper it goes, the more blissful it becomes, the more ecstatic.


So energy can have two possibilities. The first is just a relief, a throwing off of energies which have become a burden to you, which you could not utilize and with which you could not be creative. This state of mind is anti-kundalini.


The ordinary state of human beings is anti-kundalini. Energy moves from the center toward the periphery because that is the direction you are moving toward. Kundalini means just the opposite. Forces, energies, move from the periphery toward the center.


The movement inward, the center-oriented movement, is blissful, while the outward movement gives both happiness and misery. There will be momentary happiness and permanent misery. Happiness will come only in gaps. Only when you hope, only when you have expectations, is the gap there. The actual result is always misery.


Happiness is in expectation, in hoping, in desiring, in dreaming. It is only that you are relieved of your burden; the happiness is totally negative. There is no happiness as such, but only the momentary absence of misery. That absence is taken as happiness.


You are constantly creating new energies. That is what is meant by life: the ability to go on creating the life force. The moment the capacity is gone, you are dead. This is the paradox: you go on creating energy and you don’t know what to do with it. When it is created you throw it off and when it is not created you feel miserable, ill.


The moment the life force is not created, you feel ill; but when it is created, you again feel ill. The first illness is that of weakness, and the second illness is that of energy that has become a burden to you. You are not able to harmonize it, to make it creative, to make it blissful. You have created it and now you don’t know what to do with it, so you just throw it off. Then you create more energy again. This is absurd, but this absurdity is what we ordinarily mean by human existence: constantly creating energy that constantly becomes burdensome and that you constantly have to relieve.


That is why sex has become so important, so significant because it is one of the greatest means to rid yourself of energy. If the society becomes affluent, you have more sources through which energy can be created. Then you become more sexual, because you have more tensions to relieve.


There is a constant creating of energy and throwing out of energy. If one is intelligent enough, sensitive enough, then one will feel the absurdity of it, the whole meaninglessness of it. Then one will feel the purposelessness of life. Are you just an instrument to create energy and throw it out? What is the meaning of this? What is the need to exist at all? Just to be an instrument in which energy is created and thrown out? So the more sensitive a person is, the more he feels the meaninglessness of life as we know it.


Kundalini means to change this absurd situation into a meaningful one. The science of kundalini is one of the most subtle sciences. The physical sciences are also concerned with energy, but with material energy not psychic energy. Yoga is concerned with psychic energy. It is a science of the metaphysical, of that which is transcendental.


Just like the material energy that science is concerned with, this psychic energy can be creative or destructive. If it is not used, it becomes destructive; if it is used, it becomes creative. But it can also be used noncreatively. The way to make it creative is first to understand that you should not realize only part of your potential. If one part is realized and the remaining, major portion of your potential is unrealized, it is not a situation that can be creative.


The whole must be realized; your whole potential must be actualized. There are methods to realize the potential, to make it actual, to make it awake. It is sleeping, just like a snake. That is why it has been named kundalini: serpent power, a sleeping serpent.


If you have ever seen a serpent sleeping, it is just like that. It is coiled; there is no movement at all. But a serpent can stand up straight on its tail. It stands by its energy. That is why the serpent has been used symbolically. Your life energy is also coiled and asleep. But it can become straight; it can become awake, with its full potential actualized. Then you will be transformed

[soulsista]

I wonder if the word F*ck originates from Puck as in that famous knavish sprite called Robin Goodfellow ;)

[Ritally]

A Chinese proverb says “There is a price for gold, but no price for jade (http://www.undirect.com)”....Do you know?:D

[Enlighten2012]

i'm studying philosophy at the moment and its been a real eye opener. it really makes you look at yourself first and foremost and then how you perceive your neighbours near and far. our subjects so far have been wisdom, happiness & love. they may sound simple though their very complex and studying in depth have left me in all sorts. if you'd like to read a great you must read Marsilio Ficino. he was a wise man.

this thread dosent look like it has much traffic though i will share my thoughts for whomever wishes to listen.....right now though i'm off to watch my hubby play football.....philosophically thinking though its ****ing freezing outside so would rather be curled up here on the couch but Plato says There are two things a person should never be angry at, what they can help, and what they cannot.

[Thumpelina]

Plato says There are two things a person should never be angry at, what they can help, and what they cannot.

:)

good quote!

as in no point in being angry when actually you can do something about it instead, and also when you can`t as you`ll be waisting energy?
in both cases you have the choice...

[Enlighten2012]

exactly. its hard not to be angry sometimes though when you feel your anger (or other emotion) take over you must stop and say "not this not this" (its a philosophy term) and become your natural state again.

another pratice we have spoken about in great lengths is living in the moment. we all know we should though find it really hard to. to bring me back to the present if i'm scattered is to just pause for a few seconds and your mind will adjust. this is one of my favorite quotes on living in the present:

Tanzen and Ekido were once travelling together down a muddy road. A heavy rain was falling. Comming around the bend they met a lovely girl in a kimono and sash, unable to cross the intersection. 'come on girl', said Tanzen at once. Lifting her in his arms he carried her over the mud. Ekido did not speak again until that night when they reached a temple. Then he could no longer restrain himself. 'We monks dont go near females', he said to Tanzen, especially young and lovely ones'. 'It is dangerous why did you do that?' 'I left the girl there on the road', said Tanzen. 'Are you still carrying her?'.

[Enlighten2012]

i have been very fortunate that since my daughter has been born that i have been able to spend every waking minute with her (apart from date nights and small shopping trips). i dont work so have had lots of free time on my hands.

last night in philosophy we studied how to value rest as much as activity, a concept i used to struggle with. to really value your time just being is hard though when you acheive it is the greatest gift you can give yourself and your loved ones.

it makes you more aware of youself and your surroundings and gives you the opportunity to react/act in a more just way when you are faced with an uncomfortable situation. it can also be very freeing for eg. when a thought enters your head, they are noted and quickly diminished because those thoughts are not 'you'.

so i think its important to sometimes just sit, lay, whatever and just be....everyone can make time and the present is the most valuable (and free) principle you have.

[soulsista]

Thank you enligten2012 for sharing with us I hope you continue to do so :)

Im just going to watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZX8QSdJ9go&feature=related The 12 laws of Karma

[Enlighten2012]

thats beautiful soulsista, ive never seen that before.

with all which is going on at moment i like receiting this Vedic statement:

"May all be happy, May all be without disease, May all creatures have well-being; None should be in misery of any sort".

i hope i witness a world like this in one of my lives.....

[soulsista]

I was in the libary today and picked up a book called Why buses come in threes it shows how maths can be realted to daily life.

There was a section titled How do you explain a coincidence?

It gave the example of most school classes will have two children which share the same birthday even though their are only 28 in a class and there are 365 days in the year ....coincidence or was the tv crap that night me wonders :rolleyes: :D

[soulsista]

thats beautiful soulsista, ive never seen that before.

with all which is going on at moment i like receiting this Vedic statement:

"May all be happy, May all be without disease, May all creatures have well-being; None should be in misery of any sort".

i hope i witness a world like this in one of my lives.....

Sounds like heaven ;)

[moonii]

I was in the libary today and picked up a book called Why buses come in threes it shows how maths can be realted to daily life.

There was a section titled How do you explain a coincidence?

It gave the example of most school classes will have two children which share the same birthday even though their are only 28 in a class and there are 365 days in the year ....coincidence or was the tv crap that night me wonders :rolleyes: :D

I haven't read too far back on this thread, but on your point about coincidence. Surely if 2 couples considered the tv was crap on that night, that was a coincidence in itself.

Have you ever read The Celestine Prophecy? There's a lot about coincidences within those pages lol ... although it's more about acting on a coincidence. I wondered what your thought were on that?

[soulsista]

I haven't read too far back on this thread, but on your point about coincidence. Surely if 2 couples considered the tv was crap on that night, that was a coincidence in itself.

Have you ever read The Celestine Prophecy? There's a lot about coincidences within those pages lol ... although it's more about acting on a coincidence. I wondered what your thought were on that?

Hey Moonii :) I actually do have The celestine Prophecy I started to read it and was enjoying it but then found a copy of a film of the book on you tube which ment I havent actually finished reading the book. I vaguely remember about the coincidences thing. I have quite alot of coincidences in my life which spice it up and make me think somehow I should do something about them but the big question is whats to be done ha just thought you know the tv programme my names earl which is based on karma mybe thats what I should do based on my coincidences :D

[moonii]

Hey Moonii :) I actually do have The celestine Prophecy I started to read it and was enjoying it but then found a copy of a film of the book on you tube which ment I havent actually finished reading the book. I vaguely remember about the coincidences thing. I have quite alot of coincidences in my life which spice it up and make me think somehow I should do something about them but the big question is whats to be done ha just thought you know the tv programme my names earl which is based on karma mybe thats what I should do based on my coincidences :D

The book is sooooo much better than the film - in my opinion that is. I started by reading that book and then went on a bit of book reading 'life' journey, so I guess I have a soft spot for it. I like noticing coincidences - I think at the very least they are useful as they sometimes make people stop and think. We all rush about in this world, I'm very into stopping and looking around.

[soulsista]

The book is sooooo much better than the film - in my opinion that is. I started by reading that book and then went on a bit of book reading 'life' journey, so I guess I have a soft spot for it. I like noticing coincidences - I think at the very least they are useful as they sometimes make people stop and think. We all rush about in this world, I'm very into stopping and looking around.

Yes me too stopping and listening to the flowers and smelling the rainbows :D

[moonii]

Yes me too stopping and listening to the flowers and smelling the rainbows :D

EXCELLENT thought :D

[Enlighten2012]

I was in the libary today and picked up a book called Why buses come in threes it shows how maths can be realted to daily life.

There was a section titled How do you explain a coincidence?

It gave the example of most school classes will have two children which share the same birthday even though their are only 28 in a class and there are 365 days in the year ....coincidence or was the tv crap that night me wonders :rolleyes: :D

maths def determines daily life though i failed year 10 maths so dont look into it much! :confused:

lots of crap on telly though def beleive there are no coincideneces....;)

[Enlighten2012]

Hello ladies
We could def talk to the cows come home about Celestial Prophecy.
Moonii, it was a book which also sent me on the journey and havent stopped since.

LOVE the nine insights:

1)Increased consciousness or intuitiveness of self in whole
2) Increased consciousness to include historical perspective to see how we humans have drifted away from the spiritual self to money and time slaves
3) Increased consciousness of our physical self to the metaphysical or spiritual whole
4) Increased consciousness of how self seeking control of others is but a way of stealing the energy of another.
5) Increased consciousness of the limitless amount of energy in that is available to all which eliminates the need to control or steal others energy.
6) Increased consciousness and ability to tap into the infinite energy of the Universe including of other humans. Learning to break through the defense mechanisms that we all display as Intimidation, Interrogation, Self Pity, or Dissociation.
7) Increased consciousness of being in the flow of evolution, of being a recorder and receiver of this energy.
8) Increased consciousness of being one with the whole and interacting with another individual or as part of a group so that all involved evolve through the flow of this energy. The antecedent to this is to control the other or the group for self seeking measures.
8) Increased consciousness of how life outside of humanity needs room to grow

I think the 6th insight really grabbed me. I found it facinating that we were all one and that we could quite easlily tap into the energies of anyone or thing. Amazing.

[Enlighten2012]

P.s. Glad we have like minds here (evan if it is a few of us) x

[soulsista]

EXCELLENT thought :D

B eautiful :D

[soulsista]

maths def determines daily life though i failed year 10 maths so dont look into it much! :confused:

lots of crap on telly though def beleive there are no coincideneces....;)

I took a photo of the relevant pages when I find my wire thing I will post them up for you I sortta skimmed by the math part

In my family there are alot of us share the day of the month birthday 3, 13, 18, 23, 28 a few even share the same month.

[soulsista]

I found the wire right where I left it :rolleyes:

http://www.blog.co.uk/media/photo/25082011/5819316

http://www.blog.co.uk/media/photo/25082011_001/5819321

http://www.blog.co.uk/media/photo/25082011_002/5819320

http://www.blog.co.uk/media/photo/25082011_003/5819319

http://www.blog.co.uk/media/photo/25082011_004/5819318

These are the pages I was talking about from the book Why do buses come in threes

[moonii]

@Soulsista Thanks for the links - I'll take a look and get back to you too.

@Enlighten2012 Yes, I agree with your thoughts about the 6th insight, but I also got a lot out of the 4th - the control of others by stealing their energy. I've had that happen to me - which was not nice to say the least and took a lot of strength to pull away from. I also work with littlies and see how the ebb and flow of energy within a class can have an effect on so many things ... and of course effect learning.

[moonii]

I found the wire right where I left it :rolleyes:

http://www.blog.co.uk/media/photo/25082011/5819316

http://www.blog.co.uk/media/photo/25082011_001/5819321

http://www.blog.co.uk/media/photo/25082011_002/5819320

http://www.blog.co.uk/media/photo/25082011_003/5819319

http://www.blog.co.uk/media/photo/25082011_004/5819318

These are the pages I was talking about from the book Why do buses come in threes

Ah yes interesting stuff - thanks for posting them up. I notice after reading through all the different examples of working out the odds of a coinsidence happening, the author ends on an extreme example lol. Which leads me to believe he/she is leaving the door open for the possiblity of a little magic ;)

[Enlighten2012]

I found the wire right where I left it :rolleyes:

http://www.blog.co.uk/media/photo/25082011/5819316

http://www.blog.co.uk/media/photo/25082011_001/5819321

http://www.blog.co.uk/media/photo/25082011_002/5819320

http://www.blog.co.uk/media/photo/25082011_003/5819319

http://www.blog.co.uk/media/photo/25082011_004/5819318

These are the pages I was talking about from the book Why do buses come in threes

thankyou for that, very kind of you

i often travel to other parts of world and more times than none i always bump into someone i know.

can i just point out 1 very big coincidence.....i also have on chipped black nail polish :D

[Enlighten2012]

@Soulsista Thanks for the links - I'll take a look and get back to you too.

@Enlighten2012 Yes, I agree with your thoughts about the 6th insight, but I also got a lot out of the 4th - the control of others by stealing their energy. I've had that happen to me - which was not nice to say the least and took a lot of strength to pull away from. I also work with littlies and see how the ebb and flow of energy within a class can have an effect on so many things ... and of course effect learning.

ah yes energy stealers......one of my few dislikes.
i would often have my energy zapped by certain people until i learnt to guard myself.

i have a 2 year old and yeah she does take my energy though its unintentional. children are innocent.......though i'm sure because you work with them you could say otherwise.....you gotta love em ;)

when adults are frail within themselves (i think) is when their ego and controlling natures take over therfor zapping others evergy to feed what they are lacking. its very sad because these people are not personalities you want to be around.

[startingtoshow]

ah yes energy stealers......one of my few dislikes.
i would often have my energy zapped by certain people until i learnt to guard myself.


Hi Enlighten2012! That's true...There are people who tend to behave in a way that leaves you tired, troubled, bored or powerless. It isn't always intentional I have to admit ,but still...
For example there are those who are always grumpy or complaining or just sad about everything that happens to them (or they think it happens to them). Should I say pessimists? Not sure that's exactly the case, but it's close....

I've come across people that didn't really take my energy away, but I couldn't do anything else but giving part of it to make them feel better. I was trying to talk more, laugh more, make them participate, make them smile. But they weren't willing to I guess...
In such cases the person who's trying for the best ends up excausted and fragile...
Being there for your friends ,trying to help when they are blue, that's totally different. That rewards you with more positive energy.
I'm now talking about trying when there is nothing to try for...
I can't stand people who aren't even open to the possibility that life might just be a bit sunnier than they think!

[Enlighten2012]

Hi startingtoshow, nice to meet you

your right, there is nothing wrong with giving your energy in the situation you speak of. i've also done this many a time. how many times do you try though before giving up? when someone is downright misrable (and are happy being there) there is only so much you can help with. though....when people are depressed is a whole differant situation....you never give up. you can most always tell the differance btw someone who wants to be misrable and those who dont.

in philosophy we talk about qi often (life force, energy flow). there has to be an evan balance i think or illness (mental and physical) occurs. nothing new to us i guess, we tend though to get caught up in life and dont stop to smell the roses as often as we should.

[startingtoshow]

Hi startingtoshow, nice to meet you

your right, there is nothing wrong with giving your energy in the situation you speak of. i've also done this many a time. how many times do you try though before giving up? when someone is downright misrable (and are happy being there) there is only so much you can help with. though....when people are depressed is a whole differant situation....you never give up. you can most always tell the differance btw someone who wants to be misrable and those who dont.

in philosophy we talk about qi often (life force, energy flow). there has to be an evan balance i think or illness (mental and physical) occurs. nothing new to us i guess, we tend though to get caught up in life and dont stop to smell the roses as often as we should.

I understand exactly what y mean...Depression is a whole different situation...I'd never give up if it was for a person who suffers from it....

[Enlighten2012]

When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life.

When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down ‘happy’.

They told me I didn’t understand the assignment, and I told them they didn’t understand life.

— John Lennon

[Enlighten2012]

One of his students asked Buddha, "Are you the messiah?"
"No", answered Buddha.
"Then are you a healer?"
"No", Buddha replied.
"Then are you a teacher?" the student persisted.
"No, I am not a teacher."
"Then what are you?" asked the student, exasperated.
"I am awake", Buddha replied.

may more walk this earth with their eyes open

[soulsista]

Hello philosophers ;)

Ive just finished reading Natasha Mostert's book called The Keeper its a fictional book with lots of interesting facts in it too. It was about chi and stealing it from other people. One part I found particuarly interesting was when they were taking about the vast psi-space called Zero point field which allows us to interact and exchange our energy even our conciousness. Zero Point Field is empty space for example like between the stars which then relates to chi as it is described as the enegy of the universe. It also covers interconnection. Really Good book. IMO Her other book season of the witch is very good also.

Just starting Daniel Hechts Land of Echoes which is about ghosts. Again interesting facts mixed with fiction. His other book Skull Sessions is good also.

Had to order them in to the libary as I knew I liked the previous books and just coincidence they are both covering psi.

Funny coincidence the other day I was clearing out my files and had some shakespeare stuff in my hand when the radio presenter BBC2 made a reference to shakespeare :eek::D

Chipped black nail varnish :D

[soulsista]

When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life.

When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down ‘happy’.

They told me I didn’t understand the assignment, and I told them they didn’t understand life.

— John Lennon

I was at a parent school conference. During the break I was chatting with a couple of ladies and they were talking about what they wanted their kids to be when they were older one hoped for a doctor another hoped for a lawyer they asked me what I wanted for mine I said the same as Lennons mum I want them to be happy :)

[startingtoshow]

When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life.

When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down ‘happy’.

They told me I didn’t understand the assignment, and I told them they didn’t understand life.

— John Lennon

Well yeap, Lennon had a point, they usually don't...

By the way, I guess we're growing up and we become something. Everyone becomes something. And then everyone else stops asking the kid what he/she wants to be when they grow up...because the kid is not a kid anymore.
And those moments come that we , the adults , want to scream "I want to be...happy!" but we can't, because no one asked!
So please keep asking , no matter how old somebody is, keep asking them "What do you want to be". They need the chance to answer!

[moonii]

When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life.

When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down ‘happy’.

They told me I didn’t understand the assignment, and I told them they didn’t understand life.

— John Lennon

Bloody excellent quote - the man was a genius!

[Thumpelina]

One of his students asked Buddha, "Are you the messiah?"
"No", answered Buddha.
"Then are you a healer?"
"No", Buddha replied.
"Then are you a teacher?" the student persisted.
"No, I am not a teacher."
"Then what are you?" asked the student, exasperated.
"I am awake", Buddha replied.

may more walk this earth with their eyes open

Really, really good Enlighten:)

As it is so easy to walk through life - Or just a single day! - forgetting about the little things, which are so important - Every day - but drowning in the constant pursuit of more.
If that is what you had in mind?
Or simply being to much wrapped up in you own bubble.

[moonii]

Really, really good Enlighten:)

As it is so easy to walk through life - Or just a single day! - forgetting about the little things, which are so important - Every day - but drowning in the constant pursuit of more.
If that is what you had in mind?
Or simply being to much wrapped up in you own bubble.

I agree with both your explanations. The pursuit of more is time consuming/life consuming. Also, sadly, it's so easy to walk through life only seeing seeing it from your own point of view and being unable to see or tolerate anyother point of view.

The student also had a great need to give the buddha a label. We all love to label people and make snap judgements about who they are.

[Enlighten2012]

I was at a parent school conference. During the break I was chatting with a couple of ladies and they were talking about what they wanted their kids to be when they were older one hoped for a doctor another hoped for a lawyer they asked me what I wanted for mine I said the same as Lennons mum I want them to be happy :)

of course you want your children to succeed in life though saying a job like lawyer or doctor makes that child a "success" is ridiculous. my husband was a carpenter and now a project manager and he is the most successful person i know, not just because he has a steady job but his honest, generous and giving in what he does. just because you earn $$$ dosent make you a success by a long shot.

love to you for wanting the same as lennon. who wouldent want this for their children?

[Enlighten2012]

Really, really good Enlighten:)

As it is so easy to walk through life - Or just a single day! - forgetting about the little things, which are so important - Every day - but drowning in the constant pursuit of more.
If that is what you had in mind?
Or simply being to much wrapped up in you own bubble.

i agree with moonii, we are so very quick to judge and to label people its terrible.
i guess the buddha had it right when he said he was just awake because he didnt want people to think he had the answers, he wanted people to see him as they are though 'awake'. awake to the infinate possibiliies of the world and life in general.

i think he made light of every second in the day. a simple task like eating was done with such thoughtfullness. he was, i imagine, greatful for what he had and only wanted more for the world, not himself.

[Enlighten2012]

leave you with our family motto....... again from the great lennon

"life is what happens when your busy making other plans"

peace x

[moonii]

i agree with moonii, we are so very quick to judge and to label people its terrible.
i guess the buddha had it right when he said he was just awake because he didnt want people to think he had the answers, he wanted people to see him as they are though 'awake'. awake to the infinate possibiliies of the world and life in general.

i think he made light of every second in the day. a simple task like eating was done with such thoughtfullness. he was, i imagine, greatful for what he had and only wanted more for the world, not himself.

Staying in the moment takes a lot of strength - strength I don't have, as life constantly keeps interupting any attempts I make. If I lived somewhere remote, where the distractions from outside forces were less, maybe I would stand a chance. The closest I get at the moment is running along the sea front, but even then I distract myself by playing a certain someone's music ;)

I notice the Lennon 'Happiness' quote has made it onto the current blog comments ...
see Nuclear - 6 Sep 2011 - 11:04pm ... spreading the words of a genius can't be bad.;) @Enlighten this isn't your reincarnation is it?

[Enlighten2012]

hi moonii
you do have the strength, if you are able to get out of bed in the morning, you are able to conquer!
evan in remoteness people would find distractions. your peace in in your mind, not in the tangible.

not mine (not worthy), maybe nuclear's :) ?
although i dont think lennon would choose that forum name?

[soulsista]

One of his students asked Buddha, "Are you the messiah?"
"No", answered Buddha.
"Then are you a healer?"
"No", Buddha replied.
"Then are you a teacher?" the student persisted.
"No, I am not a teacher."
"Then what are you?" asked the student, exasperated.
"I am awake", Buddha replied.

may more walk this earth with their eyes open


Ive got my very own buddha. My mum came back from London and said she got me something I had always wanted. I was waiting on rw or a life size cardboard cut out of him but she gave me buddha instead she was right I have always wanted one :)

[moonii]

Ive got my very own buddha. My mum came back from London and said she got me something I had always wanted. I was waiting on rw or a life size cardboard cut out of him but she gave me buddha instead she was right I have always wanted one :)

I have a wooden buddha on a shelf in my living room and an image in every other room as a gentle reminder to keep trying to live well. I recently put a stone buddha in my little bit of garden ... I've almost hidden it so I can only see it when I'm sitting in my favourite spot. I sit beside it quietly or I read, write or sketch. It's like having a secret friend and it makes me smile. If you asked me I wouldn't claim to be religious, but I like many spiritual things.

One little quote I like from the Dalai Lama is 'My religion is kindness.'

[moonii]

hi moonii
you do have the strength, if you are able to get out of bed in the morning, you are able to conquer!
evan in remoteness people would find distractions. your peace in in your mind, not in the tangible.

not mine (not worthy), maybe nuclear's :) ?
although i dont think lennon would choose that forum name?

Thanks for that reminder - though I'm really bad at getting out of bed when I don't have to ... something to do with being a bit of a night-owl ;)

I do understand your point about distractions, but having lived in central London I think it so much easier to fill your ever waking minute with 'stuff' in that environment ... so much easier to loose track of what's really important.

[soulsista]

I have a wooden buddha on a shelf in my living room and an image in every other room as a gentle reminder to keep trying to live well. I recently put a stone buddha in my little bit of garden ... I've almost hidden it so I can only see it when I'm sitting in my favourite spot. I sit beside it quietly or I read, write or sketch. It's like having a secret friend and it makes me smile. If you asked me I wouldn't claim to be religious, but I like many spiritual things.

One little quote I like from the Dalai Lama is 'My religion is kindness.'

A bit of a tribe of buddhas at your then ;) I like that quote thanks :)

[moonii]

A bit of a tribe of buddhas at your then ;) I like that quote thanks :)

Lol it appears so ... I've not got many rooms though ;)

[Enlighten2012]

Ive got my very own buddha. My mum came back from London and said she got me something I had always wanted. I was waiting on rw or a life size cardboard cut out of him but she gave me buddha instead she was right I have always wanted one :)

thats priceless. i would have loved to see your face. im sure your statue will bring you more peace.....depends how you look at it......wont go into it ;)

i've been to Lumbini where Buddha was born. Amazing place. one of my life highs was meditating under the bodhi tree though frustrating because i couldent concentrate. here i was in the worlds most peaceful areas and i couldent get my **** together.....I ended up pondering for awhile then buying a few 'souveniers'. :rolleyes:

[Enlighten2012]

So i am back in Philosophy class after a month break and our term subject is LOVE
yep LOVE

i think to myself this subject can be covered in one class and i just paid for a term!
well we get started and wasent i wrong....

we all know how complex love can be in relation to relationships though when you really examine PURE LOVE it brings forth a whole new dimension

what i took away from last nights class was that there are 3 dimensions to PURE LOVE
- wisdom = goodness
-attachment = conflict
-delusion = evil

we all wish im sure to live in wisdom though im sure frequently sway into the others

we discussed how there was not one evil person in this world and that evan Hitler began from love and you know what, he did. he like any 'deluded' person in this world just wants whats best from their initial actions. im not quite sure i beleive he wasent evil but, i will give the 'notion' the benefit of the dout.


so my homework for this week is to find PURE LOVE in everyone i meet. i have to remember the pure love within myself and let my actions come from that.....easy......maybe not

[Enlighten2012]

so my homework went pretty well. i found the love in everyone i met though sometimes once they began to talk the love went out the window. i have to stop letting the bull**** inbetween get to me i guess.

so last night we discussed love again and disected a shakespear sonnet...all good....until the teacher asked if 'real love' was rare. can you beleive out of 10 people i was the only one who said no! i think real love is evident everywhere.....am i dilusional? i've been with my husband for 20 years and i know its real love. i have a best friend who lives overseas and when i see him its like we never parted, thats real love. my daughter makes me cry when she smiles, thats real love. a mother in eastern sudan walked across a dessert to a camp with 2 children, she let one die of starvation so the other would survive. thats real love.

real love is not rare...people just have to stop loving themselves more often and open their hearts and minds.

[Enlighten2012]

sorry for my sh*t spelling above

forgot to mention my fave...shakespeare on love

Doubt that the stars are fire, Doubt that the sun doth move his aides, Doubt truth to be a liar, But never doubt I love : Hamlet

[moonii]

so my homework went pretty well. i found the love in everyone i met though sometimes once they began to talk the love went out the window. i have to stop letting the bull**** inbetween get to me i guess.

so last night we discussed love again and disected a shakespear sonnet...all good....until the teacher asked if 'real love' was rare. can you beleive out of 10 people i was the only one who said no! i think real love is evident everywhere.....am i dilusional? i've been with my husband for 20 years and i know its real love. i have a best friend who lives overseas and when i see him its like we never parted, thats real love. my daughter makes me cry when she smiles, thats real love. a mother in eastern sudan walked across a dessert to a camp with 2 children, she let one die of starvation so the other would survive. thats real love.

real love is not rare...people just have to stop loving themselves more often and open their hearts and minds.

Only just spotted you'd been posting in here again Enlighten, so I will return earlier tomorrow and give a proper reply ... good to have energy back in this thread - thank you.

[moonii]

real love is not rare...people just have to stop loving themselves more often and open their hearts and minds.

I'm not sure about 'people just have to stop loving themselves more often' ... I found myself in a dark place where I really didn't like myself at all and it was only when I allowed myself to like/love me, that I was able to move on and let others and the world back in. I think you are talking about selfish love of self, which I agree can make you blinkered to the needs of other people.

[Enlighten2012]

thanks for sharing that moonii, thats exactly what i meant.
i am all for one loving themselves and think it is needed 100% for the good of yourself and the world.

though

i'm not that articulate so dont seem to explain myself that well sometimes so when I said stop loving themselves more often , i meant when someone loves because it only makes 'them' happy to do so, as if creating some sort of safety net from being let down or hurt, it can become dangerous.

some people have blinkers on (as you say) and get too comfortable in 'their' world. each to their own i guess, though those are the people who needent rant and rave when relationships or life in general seems tragic because as is drumed into us daily, we are all ONE in this world and your actions DO matter and the sooner we beleive this, the sooner we all live in a better place.

[moonii]

thanks for sharing that moonii, thats exactly what i meant.
i am all for one loving themselves and think it is needed 100% for the good of yourself and the world.

though

i'm not that articulate so dont seem to explain myself that well sometimes so when I said stop loving themselves more often , i meant when someone loves because it only makes 'them' happy to do so, as if creating some sort of safety net from being let down or hurt, it can become dangerous.

some people have blinkers on (as you say) and get too comfortable in 'their' world. each to their own i guess, though those are the people who needent rant and rave when relationships or life in general seems tragic because as is drumed into us daily, we are all ONE in this world and your actions DO matter and the sooner we beleive this, the sooner we all live in a better place.

You say what you say very well and I always enjoy reading what you write. I also think everyones actions matter - no matter how small, what you do affects the whole.
I also have thoughts about energy and I think some people drain energy away from others ... they take and can not give.

[Enlighten2012]

thanks moonii, thats very kind of you to say.

your right! at the moment i feel so drained because my daughter is not well and so is attached to me 24/7. thats good draining though....the type you dont mind.

i was with an autie on the weekend i hadent seen for awhile. she spoke for hours without letting a word in and when she finally left i went to bed feeling ill.....i just couldent bare to be awake one second longer because i had nothing more to give.....emotionally & physically.

there is a fine between being rude and telling the person to shut the f*** up and just accepting the situation until you part ways. (and then clearing the air with insence afterward!)

[moonii]

Enlighten I hope your daughter will feel better soon.
I've had a similar situation as you described with your aunt. In my case when this person had a great need to talk, but afterwards I realised she had not asked how I was feeling - as she was so consumed with self. I think if this sort of situation goes on it can become damaging because the energy is so one-sided.

Today I heard a family friend, who is in hospital, has been put on a life support machine. It has been a long day, a still day and I was struck by how little family or friends can physically do in this situation - I lit a candle. The only thing to do, is to think about them and will that person to live.

[moonii]

I've just posted on the 'How Do You Feel' thread and while doing that it made me think about the mad world we live in ...

I was posting about this mad day of rumours and speculation and how for the first time I actually sat and watched it all kick off and tracked the rumours around the virtual world ... I found it fascinating how the story was spun and I could feel myself being drawn into the web ...

In the big scheme of things (look at what's happening in the world) whether TT stay as a 4 or 5 piece band is not going to stop the world turning, but here we all are, fussing and searching for answers to help sooth our anxiety. The story made it onto Sky News for goodness sake. I guess the question I was asking myself is why am I doing this, why do I care about this man, these men, who I don't know - do I? :confused:

[Enlighten2012]

Enlighten I hope your daughter will feel better soon.
I've had a similar situation as you described with your aunt. In my case when this person had a great need to talk, but afterwards I realised she had not asked how I was feeling - as she was so consumed with self. I think if this sort of situation goes on it can become damaging because the energy is so one-sided.

Today I heard a family friend, who is in hospital, has been put on a life support machine. It has been a long day, a still day and I was struck by how little family or friends can physically do in this situation - I lit a candle. The only thing to do, is to think about them and will that person to live.

she is doing much better thankyou. alittle rest and loving done the trick!

i am so so sorry to hear of your family friend. it has brought tears to my eyes. i will also light a candle and say alittle prayer. may they not suffer and may friends and family unite during this hard time. peace.

[Enlighten2012]

I've just posted on the 'How Do You Feel' thread and while doing that it made me think about the mad world we live in ...

I was posting about this mad day of rumours and speculation and how for the first time I actually sat and watched it all kick off and tracked the rumours around the virtual world ... I found it fascinating how the story was spun and I could feel myself being drawn into the web ...

In the big scheme of things (look at what's happening in the world) whether TT stay as a 4 or 5 piece band is not going to stop the world turning, but here we all are, fussing and searching for answers to help sooth our anxiety. The story made it onto Sky News for goodness sake. I guess the question I was asking myself is why am I doing this, why do I care about this man, these men, who I don't know - do I? :confused:

hhhmmm hard one moonii.
i for one have never been into rumours or speculations and tend to let things just happen as they may. no use getting worked up over something you cannot change ESPECIALLY when you are doing this over TT!!!!!

i'm not a fan of TT (or know what ur refering too) so prob dont understand the anguish, though i have been a fan of bands who have been through changes and i just kept doing what i think they want from their fans, turn on the c.d, album and just enjoy. entertainers dont want fans to be bothered about logistics, they want you too turn up their music loud and have a good time, get emotional, go on a journey.

you care about these men/man because they have taken you to another place, you relate to what their saying and grasp at that emotion because it makes you feel good. evan when your crying over a song you still feel good. its natural. thats why we gravitate to certain genres/artists. their melodies struck a cord. you dont know them, most people in general dont show themselves, imagine being in public eye. why do you want to know them? isnt it enough to enjoy their music?

dont get caught up in the wide web either. its a fickle place thats no good to no-one. dont take it too seriously. you seem pretty switched on moonni so know this stuff is not too important. especially from your last post, there are better things in this world to be worrying about xxx

[Thumpelina]

it`s not a quote from a philosopher, but it made me think, so here goes:

"If we are always arriving and departing, it is also true that we are eternally anchored.
One's destination is never a place but rather a new way of looking at things."
Henry Miller

[moonii]

you care about these men/man because they have taken you to another place, you relate to what their saying and grasp at that emotion because it makes you feel good.

Yes, I totally agree with that - grasping at that emotion trying to hold onto the good feeling for as long as we can. Also, I think it is a form of escapism. Escaping from our normal everyday life. If that is so, am I staying in the moment lol.

No, you're right I'm not caught up in the web gossip, but I just happened to catch the beginning of this story and found it fascinating to see how it evolved - if that's the right way to describe it lol.

Thanks for your kind words about my family friend, she is still with us - she had a bone marrow transplant and it could take a month before there is any improvement.

[moonii]

it`s not a quote from a philosopher, but it made me think, so here goes:

"If we are always arriving and departing, it is also true that we are eternally anchored.
One's destination is never a place but rather a new way of looking at things."
Henry Miller

I like that quote Thumpelina. I think when you look at things in a new way it can create an impetus for change. It's whether you are willing to take the batton and run with it that actually brings change to your life.

[Enlighten2012]

it`s not a quote from a philosopher, but it made me think, so here goes:

"If we are always arriving and departing, it is also true that we are eternally anchored.
One's destination is never a place but rather a new way of looking at things."
Henry Miller

love it and love henry miller....smart man
there is definately something innate which we all have. something which is constant.

this is a henry miller we learnt at school

“Develop an interest in life as you see it; the people, things, literature, music-the world is so rich, simply throbbing with rich treasures, beautiful souls and interesting people. Forget yourself.” ― Henry Miller

its so true and really makes me feel good reading it.

[moonii]

love it and love henry miller....smart man
there is definately something innate which we all have. something which is constant.

this is a henry miller we learnt at school

“Develop an interest in life as you see it; the people, things, literature, music-the world is so rich, simply throbbing with rich treasures, beautiful souls and interesting people. Forget yourself.” ― Henry Miller

its so true and really makes me feel good reading it.

Here's a life test for me ... I've already typed a reply, but the page didn't refresh and it was lost!

Er I think what I was trying to say was ... Henry Miller is inviting you to be a human sponge ... no, more than a sponge, because to develop an interest you surely need to participate in that interest. Otherwise you will become like a train-spotter, who just writes down train numbers without doing anything with all the information.

[Enlighten2012]

Was reading a story about an Iranian actress Marzieh Vafamehr, who featured in an Australian film about Iran. She will now spend 1 year in jail and givan 90 lashes. Now, Marzieh apparently knew her fate though still 'choose' to be in this film.

This made me think of 'Freewill'. Its the ability to freely choose no matter the contraint.

We want and need control over our lives. Sometimes we suffer the consequences of our actions irrespective of whether chosen by freewill, so it makes sense to strive for freewill, to make decisions that makes our lives worth living, to set goals and to achieve them. It makes us take responsibility for our lives and actions. That is an important aspect of what makes us human. Our freewill is a measure of our humanness.

So, Marzieh did what she felt was right by being a voice for the oppressed Iranians, excersising her freewill, taking charge of her life while knowing the consequences.

Bless her

[Thumpelina]

"One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself"

it goes back to antiquity, religion and philosophy, in different ways of saying it;
it`s simply common sense:)

This might sound very Winnie the Pooh-ish, but had only more people lived by it...

[moonii]

"One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself"

it goes back to antiquity, religion and philosophy, in different ways of saying it;
it`s simply common sense:)

This might sound very Winnie the Pooh-ish, but had only more people lived by it...

Like that quote.
Also, nothing wrong with a bit of Winnie the Pooh @Thumpelina - wise old bear.
I've got a copy of The Tao of Pooh to prove it! ;)

[Enlighten2012]

alot is happening in my extended family at the moment. there are problems and its getting alittle overwhelming, i just dont know what should be said or done, or anything at all........

the following Buddhist quote reminds me that nature of reality is abundant, there is enough for everyone, we only have to realize and live by it. we dont have to fight for a place in this world, its there for our taking. If we could grasp this mentally i think 'mentally' problems wouldent seem so bad.

If i can take this on I wouldent have to ask my intial question, i would just help, and just be there without judgement. Namaste.

"Thousands of candles can be lit from a single candle, and the life of the candle will not be shortened. Happiness never decreases by being shared."

[Enlighten2012]

as i noted in cinema thread i watched Melancholia last night.

felt many emotions watching this movie. thought after thought was racing through my brain though toward end of movie you get the drift why Kirstens charater is the way she is (wont give it away). She mentions there being no life in the universe exept on earth.

i was always one to beleive this not to be true, imagining that there must be aliens out there somewhere until i heard it from her mouth, strange. she really made me wonder if we are the only ones living in the universe.

wonder if i/we should be really worried if there is or not? sure people have seen 'things' though what if they are just 'humans' experimenting. should i/we just accept that maybe there are things we cant explain and pay more attention to the living on our planet. maybe us paying more attention to the living here will make our earth more livable and harmonious. maybe.

[moonii]

as i noted in cinema thread i watched Melancholia last night.

felt many emotions watching this movie. thought after thought was racing through my brain though toward end of movie you get the drift why Kirstens charater is the way she is (wont give it away). She mentions there being no life in the universe exept on earth.

i was always one to beleive this not to be true, imagining that there must be aliens out there somewhere until i heard it from her mouth, strange. she really made me wonder if we are the only ones living in the universe.

wonder if i/we should be really worried if there is or not? sure people have seen 'things' though what if they are just 'humans' experimenting. should i/we just accept that maybe there are things we cant explain and pay more attention to the living on our planet. maybe us paying more attention to the living here will make our earth more livable and harmonious. maybe.

Interesting thoughts Enlighten. Your point about paying more attention to the earth is a valid one. Are we less likely to take care of our world if we think there is an out, another option - another habitable world or friendly aliens that will help us out of the mire we have got ourselves into.

However, if there is life out there, how impressed would they be with what we have done here on earth?

[Enlighten2012]

I think your right Moonii and never looked at it that way. I think we would be less likely to take care if we had a way out. Or do most people have the view that when their gone who really cares what happens? I dont think many think about their purpose here therefor live life for themselves and take what they can from it without thinking about consequences

I dont think we give a good impression at all....alot of head shaking goes on i'm sure.....be it from aliens, higher powers ectectect

[Thumpelina]

I think your right Moonii and never looked at it that way. I think we would be less likely to take care if we had a way out. Or do most people have the view that when their gone who really cares what happens? I dont think many think about their purpose here therefor live life for themselves and take what they can from it without thinking about consequences

I dont think we give a good impression at all....alot of head shaking goes on i'm sure.....be it from aliens, higher powers ectectect


I think many, and probably me included a lot of the time:o, have the view that when they are gone who cares what happens.
About how we treat the planet in the way we live that is.

It`s a lame excuse, but it is really easy to think like that as everyone else think like that - Or the other way, that it`s not that many who does not care, so it does not really matter if i don`t care - and the negative circle is there.

Thinking back, something has gone wrong on the way from being a child to becoming an adult; then we used to care more, or...?

[Enlighten2012]

I think many, and probably me included a lot of the time:o, have the view that when they are gone who cares what happens.
About how we treat the planet in the way we live that is.

It`s a lame excuse, but it is really easy to think like that as everyone else think like that - Or the other way, that it`s not that many who does not care, so it does not really matter if i don`t care - and the negative circle is there.

Thinking back, something has gone wrong on the way from being a child to becoming an adult; then we used to care more, or...?

really sorry to hear you think like that

you know there is a revolving door of thinking this way so why wouldent you want to change it?



this is one of my fave quotes from a great man....Martin Luther King
"We are now faced with the fact that tomorrow is today. We are confronted with the fierce urgency of now. In this unfolding conundrum of life and history there is such a thing as being too late… We may cry out desperately for time to pause in her passage, but time is deaf to every plea and rushes on. Over the bleached bones and jumbled residue of numerous civilizations are written the pathetic words: "Too late."

[moonii]

really sorry to hear you think like that

you know there is a revolving door of thinking this way so why wouldent you want to change it?



this is one of my fave quotes from a great man....Martin Luther King
"We are now faced with the fact that tomorrow is today. We are confronted with the fierce urgency of now. In this unfolding conundrum of life and history there is such a thing as being too late… We may cry out desperately for time to pause in her passage, but time is deaf to every plea and rushes on. Over the bleached bones and jumbled residue of numerous civilizations are written the pathetic words: "Too late."

@Thumpelina Thinking back, something has gone wrong on the way from being a child to becoming an adult This made me think about a card I have pinned on my notice board. It just say it's a Tibetan saying:

Children are our real teachers, listen carefully!
They will teach you about the lost world of carefree living in the present moment.

@Enlighten We are confronted with the fierce urgency of now. Somehow we need to get back to the lost world of carefree living in the present moment (not to be confused with uncaring), so we do not loose sight of the important things in life and the important things on earth, before it is too late and the world is lost.

[soulsista]

Hi Ive just been catching up with the thread interesting read. Hows your friend now mooni?

Can I ask do any of you meditate? In regards to the energy discussions. Thanks.

[soulsista]

thats priceless. i would have loved to see your face. im sure your statue will bring you more peace.....depends how you look at it......wont go into it ;)

i've been to Lumbini where Buddha was born. Amazing place. one of my life highs was meditating under the bodhi tree though frustrating because i couldent concentrate. here i was in the worlds most peaceful areas and i couldent get my **** together.....I ended up pondering for awhile then buying a few 'souveniers'. :rolleyes:

lol :)

peace is within if you look you can find it and maintain it then you can take it everywhere :) What do u think?

what i took away from last nights class was that there are 3 dimensions to PURE LOVE
- wisdom = goodness
-attachment = conflict
-delusion = evil
Enlighten pardon the pun :rolleyes: can you enlighten me on the above I want to understand it but dont It would be much appreciated :) Thankyou

[soulsista]

The quote "There may be many paths to enlightenment. Taking the first step is what counts" is one of my favourite quotes.

Do you think there is a possibility that you can take a wrong path to enlightenment?

Here I am quoting a friends quoted response to the first quote "Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life One way one truth and one eternal life through faith in Jesus Christ"

Now I just started reading Hungry for Hope by Nick Baines and funnily enough coincidence thing again the same day I read this part about Jesus which for me is enlightning

"In Jesus, God did not pull rank and claim extra facilities. ... He had to grow up, learn, question, discover.

He had to grow into a clear understanding of his own identity and mission.

He lived with and confronted real people in all walks of life.

He did not shun conflict with arrogant religious and political authorities. He encountered opposition isolation desertion riddicule and violence. He faced being misunderstood misrepresented and having his reputation rubbished.

He stood in the midst of the worlds mess and challenged it head on. He challenged assumptions about God and his values. He lived a radically different life and espoused a new set of values.

He transcended cultural barriers and derided petty divisions. He promised the inevitability of judgement and justice for all; individuals, socities, churches, authorities, nations, cultures. And all this was rooted in servanthood, not power."

Now that brings new meaning to "what would jesus do"?

And I will leave with another quote from Mahatma Ghandi "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

Namaste and Godbless :)

[Enlighten2012]

lol :)

peace is within if you look you can find it and maintain it then you can take it everywhere :) What do u think?

what i took away from last nights class was that there are 3 dimensions to PURE LOVE
- wisdom = goodness
-attachment = conflict
-delusion = evil
Enlighten pardon the pun :rolleyes: can you enlighten me on the above I want to understand it but dont It would be much appreciated :) Thankyou

sorry for not answering sooner, i've been on holidays with no technology surrounding me at all, it was true bliss. I will be back on board next few days to discuss with you.

namaste to you also x

[soulsista]

sorry for not answering sooner, i've been on holidays with no technology surrounding me at all, it was true bliss. I will be back on board next few days to discuss with you.

namaste to you also x

Nice was it a jolly holiday? :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJTSl4niMLA ;)

:cool:

[Enlighten2012]

Nice was it a jolly holiday? :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJTSl4niMLA ;)

:cool:

ha thankyou i LOVE that movie

it was a jolly holiday....we went to the Breat Barrier Reef...the most amazing thing i have seen in my life (apart from the Taj). Northern Australia is just magical.....it is so tropical and warm, spiritual and down to earth....everything i love.

Seeing all the natural beauty makes me all for the Carbon Tax (sorry to get political)
We are damaging this planet at an alarming rate.... I want many generations to be able to witness what we did.

[Enlighten2012]

The quote "There may be many paths to enlightenment. Taking the first step is what counts" is one of my favourite quotes.

Do you think there is a possibility that you can take a wrong path to enlightenment?

Here I am quoting a friends quoted response to the first quote "Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life One way one truth and one eternal life through faith in Jesus Christ"

Now I just started reading Hungry for Hope by Nick Baines and funnily enough coincidence thing again the same day I read this part about Jesus which for me is enlightning

"In Jesus, God did not pull rank and claim extra facilities. ... He had to grow up, learn, question, discover.

He had to grow into a clear understanding of his own identity and mission.

He lived with and confronted real people in all walks of life.

He did not shun conflict with arrogant religious and political authorities. He encountered opposition isolation desertion riddicule and violence. He faced being misunderstood misrepresented and having his reputation rubbished.

He stood in the midst of the worlds mess and challenged it head on. He challenged assumptions about God and his values. He lived a radically different life and espoused a new set of values.

He transcended cultural barriers and derided petty divisions. He promised the inevitability of judgement and justice for all; individuals, socities, churches, authorities, nations, cultures. And all this was rooted in servanthood, not power."

Now that brings new meaning to "what would jesus do"?

And I will leave with another quote from Mahatma Ghandi "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

Namaste and Godbless :)

the path to enlightment is a personal one. no book can teach you how to acheive it. i beleive the great teachers like buddha and jesus, amonghst others, reached enlightment from serving others, much like you quoted in the above. they were pure in mind and body, didnt care for much for their own needs and relished in the power of human spirit and worth (no matter race, religion).

[Enlighten2012]

lol :)

peace is within if you look you can find it and maintain it then you can take it everywhere :) What do u think?

what i took away from last nights class was that there are 3 dimensions to PURE LOVE
- wisdom = goodness
-attachment = conflict
-delusion = evil
Enlighten pardon the pun :rolleyes: can you enlighten me on the above I want to understand it but dont It would be much appreciated :) Thankyou

i def think peace is within everyone and is attainable anytime.
there are many distractions though and some have to work really hard to find it.

well i probably wont explain it as it should be because in class it was an open forum and open to your own interpretation.

the way 'I' understood it was:

People who want Wisdom can only get out of it Goodness...for example in relation to Love, when you Love someone wholeheartedly with no jealousy, want only the best for eachother, have no competition and want to Learn and grow together, you can only get out of it Goodness.

People who are totally Attached can only get in return Conflict. For example if you live only for your partner, this will lead evenually to distrust ie. Conflict.
Kahil Gibran said it the best: "Love one another but make not a bond of love, Let it rather be a moving sea between the shores of your souls.
Fill each other's cup but drink not from one cup.Give one another of your bread but eat not from the same loaf. Sing and dance together and be joyous, but let each one of you be alone, Even as the strings of a lute are alone though they quiver with the same music. Give your hearts, but not into each other's keeping. For only the hand of Life can contain your hearts. And stand together, yet not too near together: For the pillars of the temple stand apart, And the oak tree and the cypress grow not in each other's shadow.

People who are Dilusional attract Evil. This is an easy one. If you are in a relationship (or imagine the relationship is what its not), this can be Evil. It can lead you thoughts into places that arnt stable and make you sick. Dillusional people can be hurtful to others and themselves.

I hope this helped. As i said this was my interpretation much as all Philosophy is. Its just the Love of Wisdom. The Love of wanting to know as much as possible to help yourself and others better people.

[soulsista]

ha thankyou i LOVE that movie

it was a jolly holiday....we went to the Breat Barrier Reef...the most amazing thing i have seen in my life (apart from the Taj). Northern Australia is just magical.....it is so tropical and warm, spiritual and down to earth....everything i love.

Seeing all the natural beauty makes me all for the Carbon Tax (sorry to get political)
We are damaging this planet at an alarming rate.... I want many generations to be able to witness what we did.

Jolly Good :)

isnt the carbon tax a regressive tax which means low-income people are most affected? :eek:

[soulsista]

the path to enlightment is a personal one. no book can teach you how to acheive it. i beleive the great teachers like buddha and jesus, amonghst others, reached enlightment from serving others, much like you quoted in the above. they were pure in mind and body, didnt care for much for their own needs and relished in the power of human spirit and worth (no matter race, religion).

Thank you for your opinion I believe the same though scientology and what was said on rr2 makes me wonder :eek:

[soulsista]

i def think peace is within everyone and is attainable anytime.
there are many distractions though and some have to work really hard to find it.

well i probably wont explain it as it should be because in class it was an open forum and open to your own interpretation.

the way 'I' understood it was:

People who want Wisdom can only get out of it Goodness...for example in relation to Love, when you Love someone wholeheartedly with no jealousy, want only the best for eachother, have no competition and want to Learn and grow together, you can only get out of it Goodness.

People who are totally Attached can only get in return Conflict. For example if you live only for your partner, this will lead evenually to distrust ie. Conflict.
Kahil Gibran said it the best: "Love one another but make not a bond of love, Let it rather be a moving sea between the shores of your souls.
Fill each other's cup but drink not from one cup.Give one another of your bread but eat not from the same loaf. Sing and dance together and be joyous, but let each one of you be alone, Even as the strings of a lute are alone though they quiver with the same music. Give your hearts, but not into each other's keeping. For only the hand of Life can contain your hearts. And stand together, yet not too near together: For the pillars of the temple stand apart, And the oak tree and the cypress grow not in each other's shadow.

People who are Dilusional attract Evil. This is an easy one. If you are in a relationship (or imagine the relationship is what its not), this can be Evil. It can lead you thoughts into places that arnt stable and make you sick. Dillusional people can be hurtful to others and themselves.

I hope this helped. As i said this was my interpretation much as all Philosophy is. Its just the Love of Wisdom. The Love of wanting to know as much as possible to help yourself and others better people.

Yes indeed it has helped I am enlightened I really like that quote from Kahil :) though I am still struggiling with undersatanding the last one imagine the relationshio is what its not.
When I look at it from a view of for example recently in the paper the fan whom thought madonna (I cant remember if it was Madonna or someone else now) was in love with him I get it I understand it. But what I'd like to know is does it include people whom are in a violent/bad relationship or for instance when there is a relationship with one person whom has a alcohol/drug/mental illness thinks there partner is not supportive. Or when someone thinks that someone close to them is not what they are ie girl thinks boy is loyal boy is not?

Thank you :)

[Enlighten2012]

Thank you for your opinion I believe the same though scientology and what was said on rr2 makes me wonder :eek:

what about scientology and whats rr2?

[Enlighten2012]

Yes indeed it has helped I am enlightened I really like that quote from Kahil :) though I am still struggiling with undersatanding the last one imagine the relationshio is what its not.
When I look at it from a view of for example recently in the paper the fan whom thought madonna (I cant remember if it was Madonna or someone else now) was in love with him I get it I understand it. But what I'd like to know is does it include people whom are in a violent/bad relationship or for instance when there is a relationship with one person whom has a alcohol/drug/mental illness thinks there partner is not supportive. Or when someone thinks that someone close to them is not what they are ie girl thinks boy is loyal boy is not?

Thank you :)

i guess dillusional can mean all you mention above (apart from not being supportive b/c we all need to support our relations). its really just ones own opinion. to me it means when you 'imagine' your relationship (or make beleive relationship) at any stage is what its not.

[Enlighten2012]

Jolly Good :)

isnt the carbon tax a regressive tax which means low-income people are most affected? :eek:

i dont think low-income people are most effected at all. dont beleive all you hear from media....they only tell you what you want to hear and write for whichever person is filling their pockets.

i for one dont mind forking out a few $$ over the next 5 years if it means for a healthier planet.

each to their own ;)

[Thumpelina]

i dont think low-income people are most effected at all. dont beleive all you hear from media....they only tell you what you want to hear and write for whichever person is filling their pockets.


isn`t Soulsista right though:confused:
a regressive tax does mean you pay more the more you earn, but it does not mean it starts at (sorry, don`t know the english term) say 0% but for instance 20% of everybody`s income and logically this does affect you more the lower income you have

[soulsista]

what about scientology and whats rr2?

I dont know that much about it but I think its something to do with ailiens and humans were their slaves or something Im not to sure tbh You will prob find alot of info on the web about it. They were playing what a man game and they said that since Will Smith joined up with it hes changed. rr2 rudebox radio 2 :)

[Enlighten2012]

isn`t Soulsista right though:confused:
a regressive tax does mean you pay more the more you earn, but it does not mean it starts at (sorry, don`t know the english term) say 0% but for instance 20% of everybody`s income and logically this does affect you more the lower income you have

i dont think its an agressive tax

probably not the right place to discuss this so if you want more info its probably best for you to do your own research. ;)

[Enlighten2012]

I dont know that much about it but I think its something to do with ailiens and humans were their slaves or something Im not to sure tbh You will prob find alot of info on the web about it. They were playing what a man game and they said that since Will Smith joined up with it hes changed. rr2 rudebox radio 2 :)

sorry soulsista i think we have our wires crossed.

i know alot about scientology though i wasent sure what i said made you think of it.

i have only listened to bits and pieces of rr2 :) so prob cant comment much on it though, i can say that when anyone joins a religion, faith, whatever you want to call it, they change.....thats the whole point...... its inevitable. as long as they are hurting no-one else who really cares.

peace

[soulsista]

sorry soulsista i think we have our wires crossed.

i know alot about scientology though i wasent sure what i said made you think of it.

i have only listened to bits and pieces of rr2 :) so prob cant comment much on it though, i can say that when anyone joins a religion, faith, whatever you want to call it, they change.....thats the whole point...... its inevitable. as long as they are hurting no-one else who really cares.

peace

Was i right about scientology then? :confused: Whats it all about?
Some of the guests on rr2 where of the opinion that since he had joined it he had changed and it was suggested that it wasnt a good change in their opinion.
I believe the same theres no wrong path to enlightenment However mybe scientology is a slippery slope to go on according to things I have read about celebs that have joined in that particular path. I dont belive all I read but it was fresh in my head as I had listened to rr2.

[soulsista]

sorry soulsista i think we have our wires crossed.

i know alot about scientology though i wasent sure what i said made you think of it.

i have only listened to bits and pieces of rr2 :) so prob cant comment much on it though, i can say that when anyone joins a religion, faith, whatever you want to call it, they change.....thats the whole point...... its inevitable. as long as they are hurting no-one else who really cares.

peace

Heres his own words about scientology http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqq8N-aR258

[Thumpelina]

i dont think its an agressive tax

probably not the right place to discuss this so if you want more info its probably best for you to do your own research. ;)


i think (there`s a change) we are misunderstanding one another:)

and maybe you are right, that this isn`t the best place to discuss it... but then probably it`s best not to raise subject like it in the future;)

[Enlighten2012]

i think (there`s a change) we are misunderstanding one another:)

and maybe you are right, that this isn`t the best place to discuss it... but then probably it`s best not to raise subject like it in the future;)

i'm sure there is somewhere on this board where politics is discussed though its kind of a heated subject thats prob not for an easy going philosophy thread :)

[Enlighten2012]

Heres his own words about scientology http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqq8N-aR258

well apparetnly from that his not a scientologist :confused:

i like his answer...his a student of all religions (which i classify myself as)

not a fan of tom myself though i like how he says his out to make the world a better place.
i couldent give a ****e if he shovels s*it up a hill.....thats good enough for me.

[Enlighten2012]

Was i right about scientology then? :confused: Whats it all about?
Some of the guests on rr2 where of the opinion that since he had joined it he had changed and it was suggested that it wasnt a good change in their opinion.
I believe the same theres no wrong path to enlightenment However mybe scientology is a slippery slope to go on according to things I have read about celebs that have joined in that particular path. I dont belive all I read but it was fresh in my head as I had listened to rr2.

you should look it up on google. some bits can be intresting.

they have just built a new 'church' in my neighbourhood which has taken up 3 blocks.
a friend of mine attends classes and told me a bit about it.....i was intrested in knowing though wont research any further. not my thing.

i want to know a bit about ALL religions, faiths ect. what a boring life if you just stick to one thing and thats it. your missing out on so much knowledge.....anyhoo

[moonii]

you should look it up on google. some bits can be intresting.

they have just built a new 'church' in my neighbourhood which has taken up 3 blocks.
a friend of mine attends classes and told me a bit about it.....i was intrested in knowing though wont research any further. not my thing.

i want to know a bit about ALL religions, faiths ect. what a boring life if you just stick to one thing and thats it. your missing out on so much knowledge.....anyhoo

I totally agree with you Enlighten, there are many people of all faiths who have a knowledge to share and a message to give and I'm open to listening to them all. I don't want to be restrained by one set of rules or walk about wearing blinkers.

What restricts me is myself, my own laziness - there's so much to find, to learn.

... of course the Dalai Lama has called this approach window shopping!

[Enlighten2012]

I totally agree with you Enlighten, there are many people of all faiths who have a knowledge to share and a message to give and I'm open to listening to them all. I don't want to be restrained by one set of rules or walk about wearing blinkers.

What restricts me is myself, my own laziness - there's so much to find, to learn.

... of course the Dalai Lama has called this approach window shopping!

very true

window shopping...i like that....that lama guys a smart man ;)

safer than going in and buying something you will just regret later

[soulsista]

you should look it up on google. some bits can be intresting.

I did I watched 100 seconds about scientology from youtube. And some other sites.:)

i want to know a bit about ALL religions, faiths ect. what a boring life if you just stick to one thing and thats it. your missing out on so much knowledge.....anyhoo

Exactamundo Variety is the spice of life ;)

Have you watched zeitgiest the movie? Its available on youtube.

[soulsista]

thanks moonii, thats very kind of you to say.

your right! at the moment i feel so drained because my daughter is not well and so is attached to me 24/7. thats good draining though....the type you dont mind.

i was with an autie on the weekend i hadent seen for awhile. she spoke for hours without letting a word in and when she finally left i went to bed feeling ill.....i just couldent bare to be awake one second longer because i had nothing more to give.....emotionally & physically.

there is a fine between being rude and telling the person to shut the f*** up and just accepting the situation until you part ways. (and then clearing the air with insence afterward!)

Heres a good link on how to protect yourself from others negativity:)
http://www.beliefnet.com/Inspiration/2010/07/How-To-Stop-Absorbing-Other-Peoples-Negative-Emotions.aspx
and here http://www.wikihow.com/Stop-Absorbing-Other-People's-Emotions

[Thumpelina]

Never stop asking questions...

[Enlighten2012]

Exactamundo Variety is the spice of life ;)

Have you watched zeitgiest the movie? Its available on youtube.

seems you like youtube ;)

no i havent seen the movie....will have a look

[Enlighten2012]

When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.
Lao Tzu

during this crazy season we tend to want to overdo it with gifts, parties ectect
we put way too much pressure on ourselves to be better than last year, give more expensive gifts, throw a party of all parties.......

this year i'm leaving it up to life. i'm downsizing all expectations and just having fun spening time at our beach house with family & friends. sure we will celebrate (i have a very excited 2 year old) though will show her its not all about the hoohar but about love, kindness and giving (though not to receive).

we will let go of ourselves, our attachments, and just be.

[Enlighten2012]

I have a little problem at the moment. One of my best friends really annoid the *&^% out of me on the weekend. She has a tendency to cancel out dates, which is cool, though cancelling at the last minute just really *&%^$$ me off. Anyhoo.....i'm not one to let much bother me but sometimes you just want people to have more manners you know? and sometimes its the smaller things you let get to you more....and they tend to linger.....silly i know......so this is a little remiinder that pondering just wastes precious time.

“What will be left of all the fearing and wanting associated with your problematic life situation that every day takes up most of your attention? A dash, one or two inches long, between the date of birth and date of death on your gravestone.”
― Eckhart Tolle

[Itina Learjet]

For this sort of thing I always remind myself of the classsic Robbie Williams Singing for the Lonely lyric:-
Here comes wasted head-space,
paranoia
Anger, misplaced feelings
Leave me nowhere
All the time

It's all just wasted headspace:mad:
Hope it helps;)

[Enlighten2012]

seems you like youtube ;)

no i havent seen the movie....will have a look

OK i watched it. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Very intresting.

Hhhmmm some new points i've never heard made before, some contraversial, and some just plain knowledge.

I strongly beleive we are a product of our culture. You can spot an Aussie, for eg, from a mile away. You can spot someone who lives in Sydney or Melbourne. We are a product of were we have been brought up and live for sure. This is where i think social revolutions begin, people wernt/arnt comfortable with being told what to wear, eat, live, vote ect so try to live as independantly as possible. We want to be free thinkers....and rightfully so.

I think people who follow trends dont have much self esteem because they dont trust their 'own' point of view. If the class is wearing black, wear white if thats what you like.

I'd like to beleive, or trust, some other points made in the movie though may take me alittle while. My mind is open though....

[Enlighten2012]

i've mentioned in other thread xmas gift ideas those these i stumbled across are pretty cool.... although if i gave the kids a card with 'a good example' with it they'd probably crucify me (no pun intended :) )

“Christmas gift suggestions:
To your enemy, forgiveness.
To an opponent, tolerance.
To a friend, your heart.
To a customer, service.
To all, charity.
To every child, a good example.
To yourself, respect.”

[bloomoon]

I have a little problem at the moment. One of my best friends really annoid the *&^% out of me on the weekend. She has a tendency to cancel out dates, which is cool, though cancelling at the last minute just really *&%^$$ me off. Anyhoo.....i'm not one to let much bother me but sometimes you just want people to have more manners you know? and sometimes its the smaller things you let get to you more....and they tend to linger.....silly i know......so this is a little reminder that pondering just wastes precious time.

“What will be left of all the fearing and wanting associated with your problematic life situation that every day takes up most of your attention? A dash, one or two inches long, between the date of birth and date of death on your gravestone.”
― Eckhart Tolle

Having briefly checked out Eckhart T, I found him quite interesting but this comment would also mean my whole life is a one or two inch dash:confused::(........wouldn't it? (Mind you, it often feels that way.)

The problem with your best friend sounds a bit like your injured pride at being disrespected, not to mention inconvenienced; which is completely understandable but ?maybe she's not intentionally, or even aware she's being thoughtless?:eek::confused:
Now, I may be oversimplifying things but perhaps the next time you arrange something with your friend, you may have to reconstruct the way you operate; to manage her flaw. State to her directly the day/ time and that you need to know ?2,3,4, days ahead if it's still on & then , don't assume, call to confirm. If she's your bf, she must have other caring & good attributes or benefits to being her friend; she may just need assistance with this sort of task. I've noticed we're all flawed & or odd in our own way. Humans - we are an incredibly complicated patchwork in appearance & behavior.

Or, of course - discuss with her how you're having difficulty with this & how you both can work around it? This may require more courage & result in possible hurt feelings. (Nobody likes to be told they are bad at something. And of course, she may still fail anyway.

[Enlighten2012]

Having briefly checked out Eckhart T, I found him quite interesting but this comment would also mean my whole life is a one or two inch dash:confused::(........wouldn't it? (Mind you, it often feels that way.)

The problem with your best friend sounds a bit like your injured pride at being disrespected, not to mention inconvenienced; which is completely understandable but ?maybe she's not intentionally, or even aware she's being thoughtless?:eek::confused:
Now, I may be oversimplifying things but perhaps the next time you arrange something with your friend, you may have to reconstruct the way you operate; to manage her flaw. State to her directly the day/ time and that you need to know ?2,3,4, days ahead if it's still on & then , don't assume, call to confirm. If she's your bf, she must have other caring & good attributes or benefits to being her friend; she may just need assistance with this sort of task. I've noticed we're all flawed & or odd in our own way. Humans - we are an incredibly complicated patchwork in appearance & behavior.

Or, of course - discuss with her how you're having difficulty with this & how you both can work around it? This may require more courage & result in possible hurt feelings. (Nobody likes to be told they are bad at something. And of course, she may still fail anyway.

thanks for that:)

she knows exactly the way she is and we often bring it up and i do tell her directly that she pi**es me off.....sometimes....depends if i have taken my courage pills that day!;)

she knows times dates and yes, i evan remind her a day before. this is just her, it bothers me more than other days.

she is gorgeous and i am sure she dosent mean to be thoughtless....she just is. she dosent have many 'flaws' at all so i guess the little ones really stand out :)

i hate my flaws being outed! though do secretly agree and learn from them.

yes we humans are far from perfect and totally complicated.

[Enlighten2012]

Martin Luther King once said "If a man is called to be a streetsweeper, he should sweep streets even as Michelangelo painted or Beethoven composed music or Shakespeare wrote poetry. He should sweep streets so well that all the hosts of heaven and earth will pause and say, Here lived a great streetsweeper who did his job well."

I went to a shopping centre today (yes mahem) and went to the public toilet. There was a cleaning lady in there and she asked me how my day was, we got talking and she was the loveliest lady i think i've met in a long time. Anyhow, its not the fact the she was the bathroom cleaner, it was the smile on her face and the energy and enthusiasm in her voice that attracted me. Here she was cleaning up god knows how many peoples um mess, and she was doing it so well you'd think it was her bathroom...

She reminded me of Dr Kings quote. No matter if you clean toilets or are a CEO. You have a job so &^%$% do it well. Life will be much more kinder to you and you much more happier for it.

[Thumpelina]

"Any man who reads too much and uses his own brain too little falls into lazy habits of thinking".....

(A. Einstein)

[Enlighten2012]

Thales attempted to explain natural phenomena without reference to mythology and was tremendously influential in this respect. Almost all of the other pre-Socratic philosophers follow him in attempting to provide an explanation of ultimate substance, change, and the existence of the world..wiki

I've never heard of Thales until my 14yr old nephew brought him to my attention. His a really interesting philosopher and had an understanding of this world which is well...out of this world.

Nothing is more active than thought, for it travels over the universe, and nothing is stronger than necessity for all must submit to it.
Thales

i like this quote of his because it tells it as it is really. i perceive it as saying that your thoughts arnt confined to your head and that evan though your body cant necessarily travel, your mind sure can and shouldn't be confined to that small space in your head. and i guess nothing is stronger than necessity because we are put on this earth for a reason and its 'necessary' for us to be strong, stand up and take action instead of lazing about letting life go by.

[Enlighten2012]

Well its 2012 and a here in which...well they say the world ends. Not true of course its just that the Mayan calender ends.

I choose Enlighten2012 as my name on here because i believe that its a year of transformation and alot what happens during the year heavily relates to the direction your journey in this life will take. Kinda like a whole year of Karma.

This is a time of transition from one World Age into another. The message the Hopis and Mayans give concerns our making a choice of how we enter the future ahead. Our moving through with either resistance or acceptance will determine whether the transition will happen with cataclysmic changes or gradual peace and tranquility.

I'm sure this is just a snippet of what people (or just i :) ) will have to say on here though i guess its a Philosophy thread and this year is all about the Love of Wisdom and all it stands for so talk away....

[Enlighten2012]

George Santayana
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

so i tend to not want to remember certain happenings in my past. who wants to remember times in which brought you pain or suffering? its natural to want to block it out and 'move on'. i've studied Buddhism and also philosophy (which mention this subject over and over) for many years and yet i dont seem to be able to let go of a few of somethings.

i've heard the above quote many times though today i'm ready to accept them and are ready to bring all those feelings to life because i definately don't want them repeated.

part of me becoming a better person this year calls for it. it calls for me to cherish my sufferings, hug them and give them attention.

the following are snippets of Buddhisms 4 noble truths. If you want to read more there are many books on the subject.

1. Life means suffering.

To live means to suffer, because the human nature is not perfect and neither is the world we live in. During our lifetime, we inevitably have to endure physical suffering such as pain, sickness, injury, tiredness, old age, and eventually death; and we have to endure psychological suffering like sadness, fear, frustration, disappointment, and depression.

2. The origin of suffering is attachment.

The origin of suffering is attachment to transient things and the ignorance thereof. Transient things do not only include the physical objects that surround us, but also ideas, and -in a greater sense- all objects of our perception. Ignorance is the lack of understanding of how our mind is attached to impermanent things. The reasons for suffering are desire, passion, ardour, pursuit of wealth and prestige, striving for fame and popularity, or in short: craving and clinging. Because the objects of our attachment are transient, their loss is inevitable, thus suffering will necessarily follow.

3. The cessation of suffering is attainable.

The cessation of suffering can be attained through nirodha. Nirodha means the unmaking of sensual craving and conceptual attachment. The third noble truth expresses the idea that suffering can be ended by attaining dispassion. Nirodha extinguishes all forms of clinging and attachment. This means that suffering can be overcome through human activity, simply by removing the cause of suffering.

4. The path to the cessation of suffering.

There is a path to the end of suffering - a gradual path of self-improvement, which is described more detailed in the Eightfold Path. It is the middle way between the two extremes of excessive self-indulgence (hedonism) and excessive self-mortification (asceticism); and it leads to the end of the cycle of rebirth. The latter quality discerns it from other paths which are merely "wandering on the wheel of becoming", because these do not have a final object. The path to the end of suffering can extend over many lifetimes, throughout which every individual rebirth is subject to karmic conditioning. Craving, ignorance, delusions, and its effects will disappear gradually, as progress is made on the path.

[Enlighten2012]

I love inspirational quotes. Real people have come up with these words which are so inspiring. My husband tends to come up with little sayings sometimes and although most times i have a 'what the' look on my face....its cute and its just him being the thoughtful and loving man he is. I love that people make a difference this way and make people smile and say yeah...that is what lifes about!

these are a couple i like:

It always seems impossible until its done

Love without pretending, Love without depending, Listen without defending, Speak without offending

Gratitude turns what we have into enough

It was always you

You can never cross the ocean until you have the courage to loose sight of the shore (my fave)

[Enlighten2012]

so i recently turned 36 and it seems to hit home.....i'm nearly 40!

i know i know its 4 years away though sh** its really crept up
i'm all for living in the moment though when the moment seems to be friggin flying by little beads of sweat appear on the forehead.

i'm not asking what have i done in my life because i have done alot...i've owned a successful business, i've been 'happily' married for 10 years, i've traveled every continent, i have family and friends i thank the heavens above for every day and i have my daughter....a definite gift who inspires and makes my soul sing every day.

though.....40?
its like i need to buy the book '1000 things to do before you die' and start marking pages!!!
i have to get myself an excellent Physician, Plastic surgeon, secretary to take notes so i dont forget stuff aaarrrhhhhh!!!! KIDDING....sort of ;)

I like the following quote i stumbled across and really believe it to be true. At our age you come into yourself. Who you have become as a person, how you have treated your body, your vessel, how you have treated your family, friends and also your world family, this is all which really matters. No one really gives a flying **** how old you are or how many cars, houses, pairs of shoes you own....get over ourselves and just be happy.

At the age of 20 we don't care what the world thinks of us
At 30 we worry about what it is thinking of us
At 40 we discover that it wasn't thinking of us at all.

[Enlighten2012]

So my daughter has asked her first 'WHY'. If you have children or are around children this question is inevitable. It was very cute....though i secretly hope it dosent turn into 'BUT Why'.... anyhoo although adults sometimes get frustrated by this question, we should be embracing it. Give your child an answer and if you dont know the answer look it up.

There are so many questions out there which are waiting to be answered and we are only going to evolve by knowing, or wanting to know, the answers. SO, here are a couple i want to ask myself and will be pondering on......just because i have nothing better to do ;)

Which is worse, failing or never trying?
When it’s all said and done, will you have said more than you’ve done?
Are you more worried about doing things right, or doing the right things?
Would you rather lose all of your old memories, or never be able to make new ones?
If we learn from our mistakes, why are we always so afraid to make a mistake?
What would you do differently if you knew nobody would judge you?
When was the last time you noticed the sound of your own breathing?

[Early]

For me the philosophy is the research of the happiness...I tried to look for happiness everywhere and in useless things,but I haven't found it yet...or maybe I found her in friendship,family and sport but I still have to look for it well as I'm too young :D

[Enlighten2012]

I purchased a block of land last year and are about to build so before this happens i want to get the land blessed. I knew the area was an Aboriginal settlement so as a sign of respect i wanted to get the "OK' as such from them to build.

I did some research and was quite surprised to find that the area in which my block lies was where the Wurundjeri Aborigines inhabited the area for approximately 40,000 years. It is one of the oldest inhabited sites in Australia.

And......1 million years ago Lava covered the landscape so yep..... i'm digging into 1 million year old Basalt...amazing right?

I have never had the urge to know the history of places i've lived. Strange because whenever I travel I love learning the history of Rome, NY, Paris, Vietnam ect so why never MY land?

Has becoming a mother given me feelers to mother earth or is reincarnation rife and i am 'home'?

Peace x

[Enlighten2012]

Well, today is Valentines Day....a day when the florists say Ka-Ching and we waste alot of $$ on cards and presents....in my opinion. My husband and i never celebrate this day....we tend to appreciate eachother everyday.

Anyhoo....here are a couple of quotes on LOVE from 2 of the most loving people i know of:

If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace.
John Lennon

Intense love does not measure, it just gives.
Mother Teresa

Peace x

[Enlighten2012]

"The world is run by people who turn up"

I heard this saying today and love it!
It is so simple though really says a thousand words.

Regardless if your the companies manager or the child doing a water run in Somalia....you make a difference and the world wouldn't turn without you

Peace x

[moonii]

"The world is run by people who turn up"

I heard this saying today and love it!
It is so simple though really says a thousand words.

Regardless if your the companies manager or the child doing a water run in Somalia....you make a difference and the world wouldn't turn without you

Peace x

When I saw this saying I had a very different response to it ... hem not sure what this says about me, but anyhow ;)

I guess because I worry for the world, I thought it's not good enough. Just turning up like you're on auto-pilot isn't good enough, the world deserves better. We need to be present in the world, in what we do.

I also felt as if the saying was hinting that not everyone does turn up and we're in the mess we're in because not everyone is taking part. Therefore the balance is wrong in the world. Maybe because people feel powerless.

[Enlighten2012]

When I saw this saying I had a very different response to it ... hem not sure what this says about me, but anyhow ;)

I guess because I worry for the world, I thought it's not good enough. Just turning up like you're on auto-pilot isn't good enough, the world deserves better. We need to be present in the world, in what we do.

I also felt as if the saying was hinting that not everyone does turn up and we're in the mess we're in because not everyone is taking part. Therefore the balance is wrong in the world. Maybe because people feel powerless.


perfect example of me 'just turning up' ;)
i probably on that day was on auto pilot and didnt look into the saying with conviction like you did.

its so hard to be present all the time and i'm sure people do feel powerless evan when they are present.

society dosent reward the underdogs as often as they should and it def leads to the feeling of defeat or uselessness.

to me you must 'earn' your money, place in society, respect.... so you turning up is the first step.

:)

[moonii]

perfect example of me 'just turning up' ;)
i probably on that day was on auto pilot and didnt look into the saying with conviction like you did.

its so hard to be present all the time and i'm sure people do feel powerless evan when they are present.

society dosent reward the underdogs as often as they should and it def leads to the feeling of defeat or uselessness.

to me you must 'earn' your money, place in society, respect.... so you turning up is the first step.
:)

Agree with that thought. Another thought on the subject.
Maybe you have a glass half full outlook on life ... whereas I may have a half empty mentality.

[Enlighten2012]

Agree with that thought. Another thought on the subject.
Maybe you have a glass half full outlook on life ... whereas I may have a half empty mentality.

i dont believe that. it seems to me like yours is half full also or you wouldn't be in this thread. just a hunch ;)

An optimist is a person who sees a green light everywhere, while a pessimist sees only the red stoplight... the truly wise person is colorblind.
Albert Schweitzer

:)

Peace Moonii x

[Thumpelina]

Thanks for sharing this quote:) It`s good





An optimist is a person who sees a green light everywhere, while a pessimist sees only the red stoplight... the truly wise person is colorblind.
Albert Schweitzer


as in dosn`t have the black and white thinking and therefore see more of the nuances,

or more simply, and more sadly, walks through life without really caring?

[Enlighten2012]

Thanks for sharing this quote:) It`s good




as in dosn`t have the black and white thinking and therefore see more of the nuances,

or more simply, and more sadly, walks through life without really caring?

my pleasure thumpelina :)

i dont read it as the person not seeing black or white as a bad thing, contrary....i read it as them being the wiser person because they are not a pessimist or an optimist.

i guess both have there good and bad points. you cant walk through life with rose colored glasses on and not all should be negative either.

a very wise man says:

To be idle is a short road to death and to be diligent is a way of life; foolish people are idle, wise people are diligent.
Buddha

[Enlighten2012]

I came across a blog today about SLOW LIVING
I've heard about SLOW FOOD before which strives to preserve traditional and regional cuisine and encourages farming of plants, seeds and livestock characteristic of the local ecosystem.....cool

Slow Living though really appeals to me because i feel we are moving waaaayyyy to fast. We are loosing sight of ourselves and our purpose here. You can say it over and over though until you are subject to its effects....you start to believe it (or not depends where your at in life)

wiki:
Slow Living is the choice to live consciously with the goal of enhancing personal, community and environmental well being. Slow Living recognizes the role that time plays in shaping the quality of our lives. By slowing down we make time to savor our experiences and to connect more fully with others. The process of slowing down involves simplifying our lives and minimizing distractions so that we have more time and more energy to focus on what is meaningful and fulfilling. By consciously choosing to do less, we contribute to reducing some of the negative social and environmental impacts of our actions.

isnt this great? why wouldn't we want this?

take time to listen to a WHOLE album and not just downloading a song or two
sit at a table with friends and family and eat a WHOLE meal and a bottle of wine
sit and watch a WHOLE movie without fast forwarding
sit and have a lengthy conversation with someone without your phone in your hand
READ a book...yes the thing with spine and pages
volunteer....take time to give another human being a purpose, strength, a fresh start....

sounds lovely right?

[Enlighten2012]

KONY2012

if you havent heard of it you must be living under a rock. its here and its here to stay...well in 2012 anyhow.

i didnt sleep last night. after this came to my attention yesterday morning, it was like a flood. everyone and i'm not exaggerating EVERYONE i spoke to had also heard of it....and wanted to know more.

it was all over the radio, news & web....people showed instant compassion

then...as i drifted off into slumber i couldn't help but get excited. is this the beginning of the shift of consciousnesses related to 2012 theory?

are people who dont ordinarily ponder on the injustice's in the world beginning too?

i thought about kony2012 all night. i prayed for the invisible children out there, i prayed for jacob and his family who had to endure the traumatic loss of their brother, i prayed that out of such horror there can become more compassion.....is it possible?

the reason i think this is the shift is that i have been an advocate for human rights for many years and although people know what i do, they dont ask questions. i know the people i surround myself with are compassionate though they have never shown an interest in the world community as such.

well, yesterday they did. i saw tears in eyes i thought i'd never. i saw compassion.

this shows me maybe the 2012 theory is right. maybe this is the year in which we move a step closer to enlightenment. maybe it is the year we start to give a **** and put ourselves in other peoples shoes.

i've paid my $30 and hope to get my pack soon. i will be proudly making kony famous.

thankyou jason russell and invisible children ......may where you are born not determine whether you live or die.

peace x

[Enlighten2012]

Last post ladies

i loved every second about writing in this forum though some dont think issues raised are important enough

would love to continue though will have to resort to voicing my opinion on the blog where it seems 'anything' goes

peace out

[moonii]

Last post ladies

i loved every second about writing in this forum though some dont think issues raised are important enough

would love to continue though will have to resort to voicing my opinion on the blog where it seems 'anything' goes

peace out

Enlighten why is this your last post? I often come in here when I'm up late and think over what you have written. I will miss your thoughts.

[bloomoon]

perfect example of me 'just turning up' ;)
i probably on that day was on auto pilot and didnt look into the saying with conviction like you did.

its so hard to be present all the time and i'm sure people do feel powerless evan when they are present.

society dosent reward the underdogs as often as they should and it def leads to the feeling of defeat or uselessness.

to me you must 'earn' your money, place in society, respect.... so you turning up is the first step.

:)

Hey, Enlighten2012 - "WHERE, where, where, ARE, are, are, YOU, you, you?.?.?" We need you to ponder, so we can bounce off you!!

My two cents:
Life (and health) is sooo not black or white. Even the night sky or the fluffy white clouds aren't pure black or white. Life is a gazillion shades of colour - thank goodness!!

I'm thinking; how about if we could feel more satisfaction, happiness & contentment in showing up; being thoughtful & present for your OWN circle of friends, family & a needy neighbour or two). If the pride of doing this could 'fill you up' enough. If enough people 'showed up' in this way, there would be an overlapping; a kaleidoscope of unity & support in the world. If you got your rewards this way, perhaps you would no longer need affirmation from the larger society.

In my small way, I aim to make whoever I meet feel good about themselves. A warm, embracing smile, a few encouraging words & remembering to hold back instant judgement; goes a long way. (And when those few people do inevitably disappoint you, don't let it discourage you.)

My optimistic glass appears even a little more than half full (so important to my survival) and I give people the benefit of the doubt; to a fault. I think that's just the way I was born - I don't know. I definitely didn't get it from my childhood. It does take a conscious effort tho; a second thought before speaking or making assumptions.
(:oall this goes out the window tho when I'm driving and my impatience with incompetent or rude drivers, rears it's ugly head:eek:- I'm working on it!)
:)Bonnie
I've come back to add this lovely song - http://youtu.be/88ysQcoZUNY Jimmy Durante - Make Someone Happy

[Thumpelina]

My two cents:
Life (and health) is sooo not black or white. Even the night sky or the fluffy white clouds aren't pure black or white. Life is a gazillion shades of colour - thank goodness!!

I'm thinking; how about if we could feel more satisfaction, happiness & contentment in showing up; being thoughtful & present for your OWN circle of friends, family & a needy neighbour or two). If the pride of doing this could 'fill you up' enough. If enough people 'showed up' in this way, there would be an overlapping; a kaleidoscope of unity & support in the world. If you got your rewards this way, perhaps you would no longer need affirmation from the larger society.

In my small way, I aim to make whoever I meet feel good about themselves. A warm, embracing smile, a few encouraging words & remembering to hold back instant judgement; goes a long way. (And when those few people do inevitably disappoint you, don't let it discourage you.)

My optimistic glass appears even a little more than half full (so important to my survival) and I give people the benefit of the doubt; to a fault. I think that's just the way I was born - I don't know. I definitely didn't get it from my childhood. It does take a conscious effort tho; a second thought before speaking or making assumptions.
(:oall this goes out the window tho when I'm driving and my impatience with incompetent or rude drivers, rears it's ugly head:eek:- I'm working on it!)
:)Bonnie
I've come back to add this lovely song - http://youtu.be/88ysQcoZUNY Jimmy Durante - Make Someone Happy

hi Bonnie:)

i like what you are saying re "showing up", and think you`re right about enough people showing up in that way, For their own circle that is.
With so many being so busy, that is not something that can be taken for granted - either way - the "giver" would feel more pleased about him-/herself and the "receiver" safer. Life comes without a security net. And including some neighbours, might help cover those who does not have anyone else:)

Life and health - and both seen together as one -isn`t black and white, but some do def get more than their fair share.
This isn`t always, or probably most of the time, visible for others who might think they have more of an half-empty-glass attitude. Though the truth sometimes is, that where others might have gone all bitter, they still manage to remain positive somehow:)


and the half-full, half-empty terminology/ saying about the glass, isn`t that just a black and white way of looking at things?


happy easter:)

[Enlighten2012]

Hey, Enlighten2012 - "WHERE, where, where, ARE, are, are, YOU, you, you?.?.?" We need you to ponder, so we can bounce off you!!

My two cents:
Life (and health) is sooo not black or white. Even the night sky or the fluffy white clouds aren't pure black or white. Life is a gazillion shades of colour - thank goodness!!

I'm thinking; how about if we could feel more satisfaction, happiness & contentment in showing up; being thoughtful & present for your OWN circle of friends, family & a needy neighbour or two). If the pride of doing this could 'fill you up' enough. If enough people 'showed up' in this way, there would be an overlapping; a kaleidoscope of unity & support in the world. If you got your rewards this way, perhaps you would no longer need affirmation from the larger society.

In my small way, I aim to make whoever I meet feel good about themselves. A warm, embracing smile, a few encouraging words & remembering to hold back instant judgement; goes a long way. (And when those few people do inevitably disappoint you, don't let it discourage you.)

My optimistic glass appears even a little more than half full (so important to my survival) and I give people the benefit of the doubt; to a fault. I think that's just the way I was born - I don't know. I definitely didn't get it from my childhood. It does take a conscious effort tho; a second thought before speaking or making assumptions.
(:oall this goes out the window tho when I'm driving and my impatience with incompetent or rude drivers, rears it's ugly head:eek:- I'm working on it!)
:)Bonnie
I've come back to add this lovely song - http://youtu.be/88ysQcoZUNY Jimmy Durante - Make Someone Happy

im still here sweetheart
i WAS discouraged alittle hense why i havent written on here for awhile
this is of my fault and i will get over it one day....just not yet

i loved reading your post...it really made me think....thank you

"In my small way, I aim to make whoever I meet feel good about themselves"

these words have inspired me today. i wish i could do this also....you are a good person :)

peace x

oh and p.s......I LOVE THAT SONG....made me smile......nothing like old school music

[bloomoon]

hi Bonnie:)

i like what you are saying re "showing up", and think you`re right about enough people showing up in that way, For their own circle that is.
With so many being so busy, that is not something that can be taken for granted - either way - the "giver" would feel more pleased about him-/herself and the "receiver" safer. Life comes without a security net. And including some neighbours, might help cover those who does not have anyone else:)

Life and health - and both seen together as one -isn`t black and white, but some do def get more than their fair share.
This isn`t always, or probably most of the time, visible for others who might think they have more of an half-empty-glass attitude. Though the truth sometimes is, that where others might have gone all bitter, they still manage to remain positive somehow:)


and the half-full, half-empty terminology/ saying about the glass, isn`t that just a black and white way of looking at things?


happy easter:)

Hi Thumpelina, & Enlighten, interesting discussions - my how time flies. I want to continue this when time permits. Always say I wish I could just download my thoughts, there's so many & it would be faster. Just 'dock' my finger into the keyboard & away I go~~~:rolleyes::rolleyes::D I'm off to see a movie & dinner with my mother-in-law; she's blue. Now that's a whole other discussion!:eek:
Bonnie