"JUST MUSING ON A SUPPOSED BRETT ANDERSON QUOTE"

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Mar
2013

'Just Musing On A Supposed Brett Anderson Quote'

 

JUST MUSING ON A SUPPOSED BRETT ANDERSON QUOTE FROM TODAY'S SUN

BRETT SAYS AND I QUOTE:

"There has always been cr*p pop music.
I remember when we had all the crap boybands in the 90s — stuff like that has always been around.
The lack of money in the music industry created a crisis.
Record companies don't have the resources to take a gamble, so these pop stars are created by committee.
"

NOW THIS WAS AT THE HEIGHT OF WHAT WAS BRITPOP AND MAINSTREAM INDIE.

RECORD COMPANIES DON'T/DIDN'T  HAVE THE RESOURCES TO GAMBLE?

I THINK NOT …

ANY QUARTER-DECENT 3 CHORD KNOBHEADS COULD AND DID GET A DEAL IN THE 90'S ….

I WON'T NAME NAMES COS IT WOULD BE UNFAIR ON 

ECHOBELLY, SHED 7, SYMPOSIUM, MENSWEAR, SLEEPER,
HURRICANE NUMBER 1, RIDE, THE BLUETONES (APART FROM THAT ONE SONG), 
OCEAN COLOUR SCENE (APART FROM THAT ONE SONG...HANG ON NAH NOT EVEN THAT SONG)
NORTHERN UPROAR, CHAPTERHOUSE, CURVE, SALAD, ADORABLE, CUD, SPACEHOG, 
KULA SHAKER, THE AUDIENCE, POWDER, KING MAKER, GENEVA (SUB-SUEDE - CAN YOU IMAGINE?)

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SHOULD I GO ON? COS I CAN AND THEY SURE FUCKING DID 

THERE WERE A FEW SPECIAL INDIE BANDS THEN JUST AS THERE ARE IN EVERY GENERATION ….
AND JUST AS SOME POP BANDS ARE USELESS, SOME ARE MAGNIFICENT IN EVERY GENERATION

I FEEL SORRY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TOO BIGOTED TO APPRECIATE THE LATTER

THE WORLD'S A LOT MORE EXCITING WITH A ONE DIRECTION IN IT 

AND MORE  HEARTS WILL GENUINELY  RACE AT A NEW 1D ALBUM 
THAN THEY EVER HAVE OR WILL  AT ANY SUEDE ALBUM IN ANY TIME PERIOD 

SORRY ABOUT THE TRUTH 

PLEASE SAY HELLO TO YOUR DRUMMER 
HE WAS CONSISTENTLY LOVELY WITH ME 

YOURS IN POP

ROBBIE WILLIAMS

  • After being exposed to Robbie "Bombaclat" William's rapping I dont think he should be commenting on any form of music ..ever. I feel pretty confident he has never and indeed will never write a good song and even bands as blattently pathetic as Menswear were a 100x more talented. I would also point out that shoegazey band Ride have their album "Nowhere" firmly lodged in the the top 50 most influential albums of all time..something that the Bombaclat will never achieve. Rant over..

  • @MissSexy...Amen to all you have said bab....Ironically this article doesn't even mention TakeThat and everyone is getting so worked up about it just because Rob did, wtf?....Has no one ever disliked a boy band, or any entertainer for that matter, and spoken of their opinions on them?....I saw a clip last night of Dean Martin rolling his eyes at the Rolling Stones, should we call Dean Martin a wanker because he didnt like that Boy Band (rock band)?.....Peace x

  • Oh @ROSS CUMMINS I wanna be a groupie on THE 3 CHORD KNOBHEADS TOUR. No, wait! I can play guitar on that one!! LOL

  • Right back at ya @rieb1 ! That's what blogs are all about - fan blog or not - exposure to other views, music etc and maybe even learn something along the way!

  • To be honest rock music died with "kurt cobain"
    the (true ) last Genius of rock in my opinion.

    nothing really new since him (bring a new way of thinking, wearing clothes,living, originality and simplicity in music creations)
    since his death , there's only "crap rock music"

    thats why popmusic is strong since the 90's until now

  • Rob, this is why i have loved you for 21 years and why that fact will NEVER change! i love your ability to say it like you see it and not give a damn what other think! it's one quality i've always admired about you.

    Never change you, you are great as you are! x

  • Well said! I agree with you! Your the best XX

  • There is a difference between discounting specific band(s) that may not be to one's taste (Echobelly, Menswear, etc), and discounting an entire genre of music (pop music, boybands). A "bigot" is someone who is "strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ." The supposed quote in question: "There has always been crap pop music. I remember when we had all the crap boybands in the 90s — stuff like that has always been around. The lack of money in the music industry created a crisis. Record companies don't have the resources to take a gamble, so these pop stars are created by committee." Even former Menswear star Matt Everitt has responded: "In the mid-nineties there wasn't really any rivalry between pop groups and the guitar bands... Traditionally your big pop acts allow record labels to invest in guitar bands, because they take longer to develop." Like it or not, this is a symbiotic relationship, and the distinction between groups that are supported through independent means and those benefiting from industry sponsorship is not always an easy one to make. It often changes throughout the life of an artist. Gary Barlow struggled as an independent songwriter and pianist before joining TT; RW hit bottom and struggled to make it solo after quitting TT. Some of the most talented singers and musicians simply don't have the perseverance, stage presence, entertainment value, whatever it takes to make it big, or to make it big for very long. In a recent speech Grohl talks about his "punk rocker" older cousin who was his "first hero", with her massive record collection including the Sex Pistols, Dead Kennedys, dozens of diverse bands... He calls the day he was introduced to these records "the first day of the rest of my life", and yet he can also "say, out loud, that Gagnam Style is one of my favorite fucking songs of the past decade." The point about McLaren is that even in the origins of the punk rock movement, its music, fashions, styles, fads - like any social movement - you find elements of commercial manipulation. Stating that "crap pop music" and "crap boybands" are simply a sad symptom of the lack of money in the music industry is not only inaccurate, it's bigoted. My comments on labeling (as a fan of all kinds of music, regardless of labels) addressed this quote, not you! Believe it or not, I think we're all on the same page here. Really enjoyed the discussion. Peace. xx

  • to a_Mohican
    The irony of the word 'bigoted' being thrown around seems to be lost upon you. If Robbie had an (entirely understandable) problem with Brett's verbal squits (although most of us have gotten used to this and turned a deaf ear to him when he was briefly relevant) then that is the issue he should have addressed. Robbie's views on the bands he mentioned are just as bigoted. I have seen most of the bands he slighted and some may be considered ordinary, some are just not my thing, but none of them had done anything to be slagged off by your messiah either.
    The fact that you even think that being a 'celebrity' critic has any kudos means you miss the point. What you are defending is celebrity not talent. Talent cares not for critiques, it just is.
    Just as talent doesn't give a shit about awards like the Brits either which is just industry back slapping anyway.
    As someone who has a good friend who worked as an A&R man for Polydor and as someone who knew the people at FOOD record label very well I do know how it works. Regardless of your little snipe at the rights of passage, that is the way 80% of the music industry works.
    Take That were bundled together, Slapped on the Gabriel Byrne Show where they appear to have mimed atrociously, and when that didn't do it, they went around doing free shows at school assemblies. Because that is the demographic market research picked.
    And that is all fine and well. I would never say that they haven't worked hard to get where they have gotten to. I am sure they have brought joy and laughter to many (Five were funkier though).
    But it is Career over Vocation.
    As for Punk and the Sex Pistols? They were being the sex pistols before M.M. got hold of them and marketed them. And Nirvana were influenced by Husker Du, The Minute Men, Butthole Surfers, Minor Threat and The Pixies. Who were in turn influenced by, the Stooges, MC5, and The Ramones. Who only pre-dated the sex pistols by ten years or so.
    I'm not sure that anyone has on here professed to being 'pop haters'? So why you keep labelling people who have taken umbrage with Robbie's outburst as such, seems to me to be bigoted!
    And I definitely don't care enough to be labelled a Robbie hater, unless your qualification for that title is that somebody might dare to suggest that Robbie is not as talented as his ego believes?
    The funny thing is that he obviously knows the difference and to what level he is at because I don't think even he would say that he has the vocal or writing talents of John Grant whom he rightly (IMHO) vaunts on another page.

  • I completely agree with Rob here despite being a largely 'indie' music fan - this entire 'Bloodsport' (pun intended) of mudslinging over the 'artistic integrity' of 'indie' versus 'pop' is largely manufactured by ignorant and talentless wannabes, bigoted fans, industry critics and 'gatekeepers' whose prejudices have sadly deadened their senses to the inherent joys of music and performance. Go ahead, get it off your chest, trust your experience and good instincts! Anyone who accuses RW of being a 'talentless' corporate puppet who conveniently skipped some sacred 'indie right of passage' - whether as a singer, songwriter or performer - knows absolutely nothing about RW (see for example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEHXo2IHJws ). He also happens to be one of the best celebrity critics of the corporate music 'industry' out there (Brits 2013 song is the tip of the iceberg)... If only there were more prominent voices from inside the 'industry' speaking out, and with experience, as he does! The biggest successes/icons in 'indie' music are mature enough to look beyond bigoted sweeping generalizations like "crap pop music" and "crap boy bands in the 90s" to appreciate music and performance on its own terms. We SHOULD "feel sorry for the people who are too bigoted to appreciate..." Do strictly 'indie' fans even realize that the Sex Pistols and punk rock movement that formed a cultural foundation for icons such as Dave Grohl of Nirvana/Foo Fighters fame was largely commercially manufactured by the likes of fashion icon Malcolm McLaren (see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbJbNhOwgos )?? What do 'pop-hating', strictly 'indie' devotees think when the members of Fleetwood Mac say they love Justin Bieber, or when Grohl calls Gagnam Style "one of my favorite fucking songs of the past decade"? Or says on his fan site: "I'm gonna have the weirdest fuckers come through this gate [of my studio] to record. I wanna see Kylie and Ry Cooder out here shooting hoops together. The Darkness and Robbie fucking Williams over there at the barbie."? Why not?

  • Wow Rob, you mentioned a lot of 'history' there.... made me want to take a look in my Record-collection again and check out what I heard in them....remembering the concerts I've been to, but hey, however nice OCS, Kula Shaker, The Bluetones and all those back than were, they could never go to any level that Take That or you as a solo-artist went to and still go to! The vibes at your concerts have always been amazing, you make people feel welcome, you totally entertain, you give away a show which you will always remember, and not something which you get a 'oh yeah...now that you mention it, I remember seeing them' vibe.

    I will never forget my first Take That concert.... silly me... being a 14/15 year old that sat in front of the Ahoy, Rotterdam the Netherlands for a whole 25 hours (note to self: NEVER ALLOW MY DAUGHTER TO DO THAT.... LOL) and when I got to the front of the stage I fainted even before you got on because of the thought you would be so close.... yeah..... teenage girls ;) you'll never get it! Not even when Teddy will reach that age! Still it's a special memory, and I got back to the front, so no worries there!
    And then there was the time at Parkpop, The Hague... a FREE Robbie Williams gig, almost in my backyard... unbelievable, and I still can't imagine that was ever possible, that was so cool. Ohhh and my memory of the Milky-Way Amsterdam where we all got crushed in the row to get in... No Rob, there has never been too little love for you! Keep remembering that on the bad days! There will always be Haters, but your Lovers are worth so much more!

    I cannot wait to see you in Amsterdam and Brussels this year! My affection for your music is contagious.... well I'm very convincing aswell, but eventhough I love you and your music so much it sometimes gets on peoples nerves, I do get a lot more understanding now-a-days and even the Husband will join me to the concert in Brussels

  • Re Godisinthetvzine
    Robbie Williams' first single was called Freedom. Which had nothing at all to do with Oasis and everything to do with George Michael. You know, the pop singer .... Always best to do a little bit of research before going off on one ;-)

  • Hi Robbie,

    Ross here from the band SYMPOSIUM

    I'm gonna get all these bands to reform and we are going to do a MASSIVE tour called "THE 3 CHORD KNOBHEADS TOUR" LOL

  • http://www.godisinthetvzine.co.uk/2013/03/22/rwff-with-ben-p-scott-10/

    "This week: talentless arse Robbie Williams thinks it's a good idea to cluelessly insult a whole host of indie legends, so let's insult him....

    It started when Suede legend Brett Anderson did nothing but tell the truth in a recent interview: ”There has always been crap pop music. I remember when we had all the crap boybands in the 90s — stuff like that has always been around. The lack of money in the music industry created a crisis. Record companies don’t have the resources to take a gamble, so these pop stars are created by committee.”. Williams disagreed, and claimed that “any quarter decent 3 chord knobhead could get a deal in the 90′s” before listing Echobelly, Shed Seven, Symposium, Menswear, Sleeper, Hurricane #1, Ride, The Bluetones, Ocean Colour Scene, Northern Uproar, Kula Shaker, Chapterhouse and others.

    A lot of guitar bands were given record deals in the 90′s because for a short period of time, people realised that tacky manufactured pop had nothing of any value to offer, and because it broke through the barriers, indie music was finally allowed to be heard on mainstream radio and TV. Then the men in suits realised that real musicians care about their work too much to be manipulated like a boyband can, so they tried as hard as they could to fill the radio with garbage once again.

    His list of “Britpop” groups included Curve and Ride. Yes, the same Ride whose 1991 album ‘Nowhere’ is often hailed as one of the all time shoegaze classics. Different era, different genre. Not only is he sickeningly arrogant and thick as shit, but the artists he’s insulting are intelligent, humble people like Simon Fowler, Steve Cradock, Mark Morriss and Andy Bell. People who also have the sort of musical ability and experience in songwriting that Williams couldn’t even begin to understand. It’s like talent is actually an alien concept to him.

    Some will probably try and make out that these groups must be really jealous of a “big” “star” like Williams.

    They’re not. He may have the hollow tabloid fame and he may have the money, but there’s one thing his money has never been able to buy him: talent. So it’s more likely that he’s jealous of these bands, a lot of whom are still well-loved and fondly remembered by music lovers. Yes MUSIC lovers. Well informed enthusiasts who love music, not “average” people who buy whatever the radio makes them hear the most.

    THEN he tried to claim that there are “magnificent pop bands in every generation” before saying that he “feels sorry for the people too bigoted” to appreciate them. “Bigoted”? It’s called having standards. The only people who listen to manufactured pop are the people who don’t get to hear anything else on their radios.

    THEN he insulted the entire world of music by saying that “the world’s a lot more exciting with a One Direction in it”, trying to provoke people further, “more hearts will race at a new 1D album than they ever have or will at any Suede album”.

    So the world is a “more exciting” place how exactly? They release bland material into a bland climate where all people are exposed to is unimaginative, squeaky clean, easily marketable, family friendly bollocks. Maybe Williams would care to explain exactly what is so “exciting” about that? Obviously he’s sticking up for the world of manufactured pop, because it’s the only place where talentless people like him can succeed.

    It translates as “One Direction must be better than Suede because they’re more popular”. Yes, they are known by a lot more people and we all know why. Because a huge group of businessmen are making sure that they are seen and heard everywhere. Why did he feel the need to even try and compare the two? Suede release records because they are good at making music, and that gift needs to be shared. I know I’m glad to have ‘Bloodsports’ and all their other LPs in my collection. Whereas that shitty little boyband… What do they do exactly? They exist in different worlds. Suede are legends and One Direction are nothing but manufactured guff. A disposable, interchangeable laughing stock whose marketing department have managed to brainwash a load of kids and uninformed people into buying their garbage. They won’t be in critic’s polls in 20 years time, because they are notoriously shit.

    Brett quite rightly criticised the current state of the mainstream, because it’s just clogged with money making products that have no artistic value. He was right to criticise the standards of the “artists” in the singles charts, because they have nothing to offer.

    Williams is blindly slagging off a whole host of musicians to try and cause a stir to gain himself some publicity, but there’s another reason why the music of the Britpop era brings back bad memories for him.

    In the mid 90′s, guitar bands were starting to take over the charts. Robbie Williams knew his popularity was under threat because kids were now aware of real musicians who could write songs and play instruments. He panicked and quickly tried to rebrand and associate himself with the indie scene. So after leaving Take That, his first single was a blatant and very poor imitation of Oasis. He’d also desperately turn up at various gigs and attempt to attach himself to whatever band was playing. But these credible musicians probably didn’t want to be associated with this pathetic wannabe. So understandably Williams bears a grudge against a lot of people who were in mid 90′s guitar bands.

    His attitude makes me sick.

    He seems to be under the impression that people don’t listen to these groups anymore.

    They’re not in the public eye because most of them have split up and aren’t making records anymore. And the ones that are still active aren’t heard on the radio because they don’t have the money to get there. Simple as that. The bands no longer operating still have fanbases, often ones crying out for a reunion. And the ones still making records and gigging are still well loved by their fans.

    If no one remembers Ocean Colour Scene anymore, then who are these imaginary people buying all these tickets to their often sold out shows? If you read any magazine’s polls of the greatest records of the 90′s, Suede will be in there. That boyband won’t be in those lists in 20 years time.

    Northern Uproar are a bunch of hard working musicians who get a real kick out of writing great tunes and playing them live. They do what they do because they love it. They know they’re not going to make loads of money. I expect they sometimes lose money doing what they do. Honest, gifted and passionate about what they do, they are the complete opposite of greedy, fame-hungry idiots like Williams.

    Not only should he apologise individually to each band he has insulted, but he should be made to learn more about each one and listen to all of their music. Maybe then he’ll be able to admit that they’re all superior to him.

    A complete and utter knob.

    http://www.godisinthetvzine.co.uk/2013/03/22/rwff-with-ben-p-scott-10/

  • here here @a_mohican! well said!........................had me eyes opened on here last couple days, was it a hard read? YES it was indeed, i usually just steer well clear of all fighting, and whilst having an opinion am not opinionated so just tend to just bow out , i dont like it, it makes me unesay BUT this debate has made me go off and look at and listen to a few bands i didnt even know existed before , listened to a bit of their music, googled them an learn something :D i looked at the arguements going on from different perspectives, spoke to my friends about it, and envoked a healthy debate at work :D , i appreciate that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, just people go about it in different ways! peace Marie xx

  • I'm a lover not a fighter (and a fan, and a defender of free speech regardless of viewpoints, as long as there's no fighting involved :)

  • If you are not a robbie williams fan why subscibe to this site? So all of you haters can FUCK OFF

  • At least the 'heated debate' got someone like me (a lover of all kinds of music who splits their time between the US/UK/Europe and who NEVER posts online) to join the site ;)

  • Everyone is quite rightly entitled to an opinion regardless of who they are, but to take an opinion from a very deluded ,overweight ,manipulating glorified cabaret entertainer who genuinely believes in his own worthless ,talentless ,mediocre throw away pop shit that he has the gaul to pass off as music, then that's another matter in itself . He cites shit like 1D etc, because these kind of manufactured kids look up to him and idolize him , therefore , he can immediately relate to them ....you see ... that's his comfort zone and would never ever get genuine credible musicians with any real artistic integrity breathing the same air as him let alone even mention his name , this is why he resorts to the slating of the above bands he mentions because it is something he has always strived for in his manufactured talentless life......ROCK N ROLL......CREDIBILITY......REAL MUSICIANSHIP.... i can go on.... i'm sure you get the picture, so for all you sad ,sad people out there who truly believe this man RW will even be mentioned in many years to come in the same breath as any of the above artists he has caned regardless of who they are and there musical achievements , then you are as completely deluded as the Butlins entertainer himself and will never ..ever , understand the true integrity and meaning of being a real musician/artist, but then again maybe i'm asking too much of expecting the mainstream clueless followers to understand ,the fat man has you all fooled . HA ,HA, HA ,EVER FEEL LIKE YOU'VE BEEN CHEATED !!!!!!!!!!

  • Karen 490 "Hoping it's past the bed time of the silly idiots who seem to have found their way here today to post their nasty small minded and mainly inaccurate crap" - I agree but Robbie Williams is still entitled to his opinion...